People v. Scott

2026 IL App (4th) 241597
NO. 4-24-1597
IN THE APPELLATE COURT
OF ILLINOIS
FOURTH DISTRICT
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS,
Plaintiff-Appellee,
v.
PRESTON V. SCOTT,
Defendant-Appellant.
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Appeal from the
Circuit Court of
Winnebago County
No. 20CF1536
Honorable
Ronald J. White,
Judge Presiding.
JUSTICE HARRIS delivered the judgment of the court, with opinion.
Presiding Justice Steigmann and Justice DeArmond concurred in the judgment
and opinion.
Presiding Justice Steigmann also specially concurred, with opinion.
OPINION
¶ 1 Following a jury trial, defendant, Preston V. Scott, was found guilty of first degree
murder (720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(2) (West 2020)) and unlawful possession of a weapon by a felon (id.
§ 24-1.1(a)). The trial court sentenced him to concurrent sentences of 80 years and 14 years in
prison, respectively. Defendant appeals, arguing (1) his trial counsel provided ineffective
assistance, (2) his posttrial counsel was ineffective for failing to raise or properly present his claims
of his trial counsel’s ineffectiveness, (3) the court erred in admitting prior bad act evidence, and
(4) the court violated Illinois Supreme Court Rule 431(b) (eff. July 1, 2012). We reverse and
remand for a new trial.
¶ 2 I. BACKGROUND
¶ 3 In August 2020, a grand jury indicted defendant on multiple counts of first degree
FILED
October 16, 2026
Carla Bender
4th District Appellate
Court, IL

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murder (720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(1), (2) (West 2020)) (counts I through XII), one count of aggravated
battery with a firearm (id. § 12-3.05(e)(1)) (count XIII), and one count of unlawful possession of
a weapon by a felon (id. § 24-1.1(a)) (count XIV) in connection with the April 2020 shooting death
of David Foley. The State’s theory of the case was that defendant sold drugs and shot Foley as an
act of revenge because Foley acted as a confidential informant for the police during controlled
drug buys that involved defendant. Prior to trial, the State elected to proceed on only one first
degree murder count (id. § 9-1(a)(2)) and the unlawful possession of a weapon by a felon count
(id. § 24-1.1(a)). The trial court dismissed the remaining counts on the State’s motion.
¶ 4 In September 2022, defendant’s jury trial was conducted. The States evidence
showed that on the morning of April 2, 2020, Foley was shot and killed on a residential street in
Rockford, Illinois. Ryan Mattingly testified that he resided at 2111 Oregon Avenue in Rockford,
where the shooting occurred. Around 10:25 a.m., he looked out his front window and observed
two vehicles stopped in front of his house and one person exiting a vehicle. Mattingly stated he
heard approximately 10 gunshots and retreated to his basement. After returning to the window, he
observed only one vehicle and a man, who was later identified as Foley, lying in the street.
¶ 5 Exterior surveillance cameras at Mattingly’s home captured the shooting at
10:26 a.m. Brandon Bradley, a police officer for the City of Rockford, reviewed recordings from
those cameras at the scene. He testified that they showed a black Impala traveling westbound on
Oregon Avenue followed closely by a gray SUV. Bradley described the black Impala as an “older
model,” with silver trim around the exterior and a silver gas cap. He testified that the recordings
showed both vehicles stopping in the street and the driver of the gray SUV exiting his vehicle and
walking toward the driver’s side of the black Impala. The driver of the black Impala then quickly
exited his vehicle and began shooting at the driver of the gray SUV. Bradley described the shooter

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as “a thinner male wearing a dark colored hoodie, dark pants, [a] face mask, [and having] lettering
down the leg of the pants.”
¶ 6 The surveillance camera recordings from Mattingly’s residence were admitted into
evidence and published to the jury. They captured the incident from three separate angles and
depicted events that were consistent with Bradley’s descriptions of what had occurred. None of
the recordings provided a close-up view of the shooter’s face.
¶ 7 Robert Mohlman testified he also resided near the scene of the shooting. He recalled
being in his back yard and hearing “[a]bout half a dozen” gunshots. He then walked between his
house and his garage and saw a Black male “jump in a black car and drive off.” Mohlman testified
the male was “maybe” five feet and nine inches tall to six feet tall. He also saw another car and a
man lying in the street. On cross-examination, Mohlman testified he did not remember what the
Black male was wearing and that he did not think the male wore a mask.
¶ 8 Matthew Gibbons testified that he was a member of the Rockford Police
Department’s crime scene unit. On April 2, 2020, he was dispatched to the scene of the shooting.
Gibbons identified several photographs he took at the scene, including several depicting Foley’s
vehicle, which he described as a Chevy Equinox.
¶ 9 Dr. Mark Peters, an expert in forensic pathology, testified he performed Foley’s
autopsy. His testimony showed Foley was shot seven times, with two of the shots resulting in fatal
wounds. During Dr. Peters’s testimony, 28 autopsy photos that depicted Foley’s body and his
injuries were admitted into evidence and published to the jury.
¶ 10 The State called Barbara Mitchell, defendant’s grandmother, as a witness. She
testified that in April 2020, she was residing at an apartment complex in Rockford called Sun
Valley Terrace. Defendant did not live with her at that time but did visit.

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¶ 11 The State’s evidence further showed that the police discovered a cell phone in the
front passenger area of Foley’s gray SUV. Officer Scott St. Vincent testified he located the cell
phone and noticed that it was not “locked,” was “still illuminated,” and “had the recent calls listed.”
The last call on the phone was made to a contact named “James” and occurred within 10 minutes
of the time that the police arrived at the scene.
¶ 12 Michelle Bootz testified that in April 2020, she worked as a violent crime detective
for the Rockford Police Department and had a “background in phone extraction.” She received
Foley’s cell phone in connection with the underlying case and completed an extraction, which
involved using computer programs to extract data from the phone and putting the data into a
readable report. Bootz testified the phone number associated with Foley’s phone was 224-***-
0549 (phone number 0549).
¶ 13 Michael Fitzgerald, a detective with the Rockford Police Department, testified that
he received a description of a vehicle that left the scene of the shooting, a black Chevy Impala with
tinted windows, chrome trim, and a chrome gas cap. Fitzgerald also received information that
Foley’s cell phone indicated he met with someone at a Mobil gas station prior to the shooting.
Fitzgerald checked surveillance video at the Mobil gas station and found video relevant to the
investigation. Recordings of the Mobil surveillance videos were admitted into evidence and
published to the jury. They showed both a black Impala with chrome trim and a chrome gas cap
and a gray SUV that matched the description of Foley’s vehicle in the vicinity of the gas station.
At approximately 10:19 a.m., the gray SUV pulled into a side parking lot at the gas station before
leaving a short time later.
¶ 14 Dalton Blair testified that in April 2020, he worked for Walmart as an asset
protection assistant store manager. His duties included maintaining Walmart’s camera system. On

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April 9, 2020, he was contacted by the police about obtaining store surveillance video of the
purchase of a cell phone associated with the phone number 708-***-6501 (phone number 6501).
Blair was provided with the universal product code number of the cell phone and located
surveillance video for the requested purchase, which he provided to the police. Evidence showed
two males purchased the phone on February 23, 2020. The surveillance video was admitted into
evidence, and excerpts were published to the jury. The State later argued that one of the males was
defendant.
¶ 15 Blair testified that he later received a second request from the police for surveillance
video of the purchase of a cell phone associated with the phone number 779-***-0237 (phone
number 0237). He was able to determine that the purchase of the second phone was made on March
19, 2020. He also obtained surveillance video of the purchase, which was admitted into evidence
and published to the jury.
¶ 16 The State’s evidence showed that a woman named Corionna Bell purchased the
phone associated with phone number 0237. Bell testified and acknowledged purchasing the cell
phone from Walmart on March 19, 2020. She later spoke with the police about the purchase.
According to Bell, an individual named “Marty” asked her to “get him a phone,” and she agreed.
Bell then drove to Walmart with Marty and “Prada,” the latter of whom she identified as defendant.
Marty was driving the vehicle, defendant was the front seat passenger, and Bell rode in the back
seat. Bell went inside Walmart alone and bought a pay-as-you-go phone. Bell identified still
images of herself taken from the Walmart surveillance video.
¶ 17 Bell testified that when she returned to the car, she left the phone in the back seat.
She denied giving the phone to defendant and stated she did not remember handing him the phone.
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that defendant “grabbed” the phone and kept it while she was in the car. Bell then acknowledged
telling the police that defendant “grabbed” the phone and “hung onto” it.
¶ 18 Bell also acknowledged that at the time of trial, she had pending criminal charges
and a pending bench warrant for her arrest. In exchange for providing truthful testimony at
defendant’s trial, the State had agreed to dismiss the charges against her and quash the bench
warrant.
¶ 19 The record shows that, without objection, the cell phone records associated with
Foley’s phone, phone number 0549, and the phones purchased from Walmart, phone numbers
6501 and 0237, were admitted into evidence.
¶ 20 Adam Cox testified he was a detective with the Rockford Police Department and
involved in the underlying investigation. He had received training on a software program called
GeoTime, which was a law enforcement tool used to analyze large amounts of data, including cell
phone records. Cox testified that the location of a cell phone could be determined relative to a cell
tower or cell site location through cell phone activity.
¶ 21 Cox testified that he was asked to “plot” or “track” the activities of the cell phones
with phone numbers 6501 and 0237 with GeoTime. That process involved uploading records
received from a cell phone provider into the GeoTime software, which “takes that information and
then presents it on a 2D map” that can be used to “view the activity of that device.” Cox identified
an exhibit containing screen recordings of the information he obtained through GeoTime for the
cell phone activity associated with phone numbers 6501 and 0237. The exhibit was admitted into
evidence and published to the jury.
¶ 22 Cox testified the GeoTime information showed that at the time of the murder, the
last activity associated with phone number 0237 “appear[ed] to be in the vicinity of the homicide.”

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He stated that when phone numbers 0237 and 6501 were tracked together, there was no activity
from phone number 6501 until 10:26 a.m. The State’s location evidence showed that activity also
occurred in the vicinity of the shooting and identified the activity as an outgoing phone call to
Jadale Lamon.
¶ 23 On cross-examination, Cox acknowledged that through his analysis, he could not
identify who was in possession of the phones associated with phone numbers 6501 and 0237. He
also confirmed that in addition to the outgoing call at 10:26:58 a.m. to Lamon from phone number
6501, the GeoTime analysis showed activity from phone number 0237, including an incoming call
at 10:23 a.m., an incoming text at 10:24 a.m., and an outgoing text at 10:25 a.m. The State’s
GeoTime location evidence showed the incoming call and the text messages were exchanged
between phone number 0237 and Foley’s cell phone. That evidence also showed a series of
communications between phone number 0237 and Foley’s cell phone in the minutes before the
murder. Those communications occurred in the general area of Rockford where the shooting
occurred. As Cox testified, the GeoTime location evidence demonstrated that the last activity from
phone number 0237 occurred at 10:25 a.m. near the location of the shooting.
¶ 24 The State further called Jacob Vereecken as a witness. Vereecken acknowledged
that he was serving a 15-year prison sentence in the Illinois Department of Corrections for two
counts of aggravated robbery. His criminal history also included convictions for unlawful restraint
in 2019, aggravated fleeing from the police in 2016, and aggravated robbery in 2010.
¶ 25 The State questioned Vereecken regarding whether he spoke to the police about
defendant on June 18, 2020, and reported that “Prada” was the last person he saw with a car that
belonged to an individual named Sabrina Layman. Initially, Vereecken stated he did not recall
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under the influence and “on drugs.” After the State showed Vereecken an exhibit containing a
recording of his police interview and asked whether a person depicted on the screen was him,
Vereecken indicated that he remembered being at the interview but did not remember what he said.
¶ 26 Vereecken agreed that the interview occurred on the same date he was arrested for
his two aggravated robbery charges. Again, however, he asserted that he did not recall what he
said during the interview, being asked about Foley’s murder, or telling the police that “Prada was
the last person [he] saw with the car.” The State then moved to play a portion of Vereecken’s
recorded interview. Defendant’s attorney, Elder Granger II, raised no objection, stating, “If [the
prosecutor] is going to impeach his own witness, I have no objection.” The trial court allowed the
State to play the recording, which showed Vereecken telling the police that Prada was the last
person he saw with a black Impala that was owned by a woman named Sabrina. Vereecken later
testified that Layman drove a black Impala, but he could not remember whether the vehicle had “a
lot of chrome.”
¶ 27 When asked by the State who Prada was, Vereecken stated he could not recall.
However, upon further questioning, he acknowledged that he had heard people calling defendant
by that nickname. Vereecken made an in-court identification of defendant and stated that he knew
defendant from “just being around Rockford.” Vereecken testified that he also knew an individual
named Jadale Lamon, who went by the nickname “Ice-o.” He stated that defendant and Ice-o were
acquainted and that he had seen them together “[h]ere and there.”
¶ 28 The State continued to question Vereecken regarding whether he made various
specific statements to the police about Foley’s murder and defendant’s involvement in the crime.
Vereecken repeatedly testified that he did not recall making the statements and, each time he
answered, the State was permitted to publish a portion of his recorded interview.

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¶ 29 Specifically, in response to Vereecken’s assertion that he could not recall telling
the police what Prada wore on the day of the shooting, the State played an excerpt of Vereecken’s
recorded interview, in which he described someone as wearing a hoodie with a black or gray hood
and a skull cap and having a pair of gloves. The recordings played by the State further showed
that, during his recorded interview, Vereecken (1) indicated that Prada “set up” a new phone
number because someone had “set him up” with “a controlled buy,” (2) indicated that he learned
information about the shooting from being around Prada and Ice-o while they were talking,
(3) indicated that Prada told him the night before the shooting that he was going “duck hunting,”
(4) stated that he heard “Prada say he killed that person” and that he heard Prada tell Ice-o that he
shot the victim “when [the victim] came up to the window to buy,” (5) stated that Ice-o gave
defendant $1,000 for a bus ticket to go to Texas, (6) stated that he heard Prada tell Ice-o that he
“smoked that dude,” (7) stated that he heard Prada tell Ice-o that he got “a new line” and “tricked”
a person into “letting [Prada] serve him again” and then shot the person when he “walked up,”
(8) indicated that Prada “tried to get [him] to set dude up” and “tried to get [him] to shoot dude,”
(9) stated that Foley “was the dude from the hotel” that “Prada killed” and that Foley had been
“doing maintenance crew,” and (10) stated that two weeks before the murder, Prada stated he
wanted Vereecken “to take care of this guy, [who] did a controlled buy on him,” and offering to
make sure Vereecken was “straight” and offering him “cars.”
¶ 30 On cross-examination, Vereecken testified that his recorded statements to the
police on June 18, 2020, were not true and that he told the police “untruths to help [himself] out.”
He maintained that the information he learned about Foley’s murder came from Ice-o and that he
never overheard a conversation between Ice-o and defendant. Vereecken asserted that he had no
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also denied ever seeing defendant with a firearm and stated he did not recall defendant ever selling
him “any form of drugs.”
¶ 31 Detective William Donato testified that in April 2020, he was a detective with the
violent crimes unit of the Rockford Police Department and was assigned to investigate Foley’s
death. At the scene, he collected Foley’s cell phone, associated with phone number 0549, and later
reviewed a “logical report” produced from an extraction performed on the phone. The report
showed text messages “of interest” from phone number 0237, in which Foley discussed meeting
with the person in possession of that phone and was directed to “[g]o to the Mobil” gas station.
Donato testified that when he initially collected the phone, it was “giving [him] step-by-step
directions to the *** Mobil.” In Foley’s phone, the contact for phone number 0237 was identified
as “James.” The “James” in Foley’s phone was also associated with a second phone number.
¶ 32 Donato testified that during his investigation, he learned the phone associated with
phone number 0237 was purchased on March 19, 2020. A search warrant was issued for the phone
records associated with that phone. Donato testified those records showed that, from the date it
was purchased on March 19, 2020, until the date of the shooting, the phone was only used to call
or text Foley. The first phone call made from the phone associated with phone number 0237 was
made 18 minutes after the phone was purchased from Walmart.
¶ 33 Donato further testified that he was one of the officers who interviewed Vereecken.
He stated he had been a police officer for 17 years, and on “[c]ountless” occasions, he had observed
people who were under the influence of drugs or alcohol. At the time of the interview with
Vereecken, Donato did not notice anything unusual about Vereecken and “perceived him to be
sober.”
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“James” contact in Foley’s phone was phone number 815-***-4311 (phone number 4311).
According to Donato, phone number 4311 was connected to an individual named Cortez Houston.
Additionally, he testified that during his investigation, he received information that defendant’s
telephone number was 815-***-2415 (phone number 2415). Donato stated that his investigation
indicated the phone associated with phone number 2415 was not “present at the murder.”
¶ 35 Donato also testified that the phone associated with phone number 6501, which was
purchased from Walmart on February 23, 2020, by two males, had a different phone number,
phone number 779-***-1004, at the time it was activated. However, a few weeks after it was
purchased, the phone number was “changed over the phone through Verizon customer service” to
phone number 6501.
¶ 36 Mike Jury testified that in October 2019, he worked for the Rockford Police
Department in its narcotics unit. At the time, he was engaged in a narcotics investigation that
targeted defendant and involved Foley as a confidential informant. Jury described Foley as being
50 to 55 years old and having a “very raspy, deep voice.” He also stated Foley had worked as a
maintenance man or janitor and that he had heard people refer to Foley by the nickname “the
maintenance man.” On October 24, 2019, a controlled drug buy was conducted, during which
Foley entered a silver Chevy Impala and purchased a substance that field tested positive for
probable cocaine from an individual that Foley identified as defendant. Foley referred to defendant
as “Prada” or “Ghost.” Photographs were taken of the controlled buy, and it was also audio and
video recorded. Jury identified photographs from the controlled buy, including still photographs
of defendant.
¶ 37 Jury testified that on February 24, 2020, a second controlled drug buy occurred with
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transported to the meeting location for the controlled buy and surveillance was set up, Foley called
Jury and reported that defendant’s “brother” would be “making the delivery” for defendant. Jury
testified that eventually, “[a] silver Pontiac G6 pulled up” and parked next to Foley. Foley briefly
entered the vehicle, and “the G6 left the parking lot.” Jury testified that Foley then met with police
and handed over “11 individually wrapped baggies.” Narcotics detectives also stopped the driver
of the G6, who was identified as Robert Jarrett. Jarrett was taken into custody.
¶ 38 Jury testified that as a narcotics officer, he was familiar with the term “serve.” He
stated that if someone was “out doing serves,” that meant that they were “doing drug deals.” He
also testified that after Foley was killed, he provided the investigating officers with a list of names,
showing who “Foley had conducted controlled purchases from.” Defendant’s name was on the list
that Jury provided. According to Jury, the February 24, 2020, controlled buy that involved Jarrett
was the last controlled buy that Foley participated in as a confidential informant. Jury was not
aware that Foley was in Rockford attempting to obtain drugs on the date of his murder. Finally, he
stated that on the date of the second controlled buy, he obtained a warrant for defendant’s arrest
based on the October 24, 2019, controlled buy. On cross-examination, Jury testified that Foley had
identified defendant’s phone number as 779-***-2400.
¶ 39 Robby Hatfield testified that in April 2020, he worked as a detective assigned to
the Rockford Police Department’s narcotics unit. After Foley’s murder, he began listening to the
jail phone calls from defendant’s “known associates,” who were in the Winnebago County jail,
specifically, Jarrett and an individual named Edmond Lilly. Hatfield testified he was familiar “with
the Winnebago County inmate jail system” and had been trained on how to utilize that system. He
was also familiar with obtaining recordings from the system. According to Hatfield, once jail calls
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allowed to make copies. Copies were made by finding a call in the system and downloading it to
a disk. Once a call was downloaded, it could not be altered. Hatfield testified he could identify a
particular inmate making a call because “[t]ypically they put in their MID ID number and make
that call.” He described an “MID ID number” as a number assigned to each inmate. Hatfield
asserted that he was also familiar with Lilly’s and Jarrett’s voices.
¶ 40 Hatfield next identified an exhibit that he stated contained recordings of two calls
from Jarrett to defendant in February 2020. The recordings were admitted into evidence and played
for the jury. Hatfield testified Jarrett placed the first call at 4:44 p.m. on February 24, 2020, to
phone number 2415. He stated that he was familiar with defendant’s voice, having listened to drug
buy recordings several times, and identified defendant as the recipient of the call. On the recording,
the voice identified as defendant’s voice asked what happened. Jarrett stated he “went in there to
hit” and suggested his recent arrest was caused by “the mountain man” or another individual. The
person identified as defendant then referenced the “maintenance man,” to which Jarrett responded,
“[Y]eah, it was either him or somebody else.”
¶ 41 The State’s evidence showed that at 5:04 p.m. on February 24, 2020, Jarrett placed
a second phone call to phone number 2415. Again, Hatfield testified that defendant was the
recipient of the call. During the second call, Jarrett asked what the maintenance man looked like.
The individual identified as defendant described the maintenance man as having an Equinox and
a “raspy” voice. Jarret asked if the man was “going bald on top,” and the person identified as
defendant responded, “[A] little bit.” That person also stated that he was “trying to figure out [his]
next move.”
¶ 42 Hatfield testified that around 4:30 p.m. on the day of the murder, Lilly made a three-
way call to defendant. He stated Lilly first called an unknown female and then “ha[d] her three-

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way call a number to [defendant].” A recording of Lilly’s call was admitted into evidence and
published to the jury. On the call, the voice identified as Lilly’s stated, “I’m trying to make sure
you cool.” The call recipient, identified as defendant, responded, “My s*** been hot, boy.” Lilly
then stated that he heard someone “got put together earlier” and that he wanted to make sure
“everybody cool.” The voice identified as defendant’s voice then responded, “[T]hat’s why I didn’t
answer nothing from the county, my s*** hot.”
¶ 43 On cross-examination, Hatfield testified that he had not had any formal training in
voice recognition. Also, he had never been certified as an expert.
¶ 44 Harley Wessner testified he was a detective for the Rockford Police Department.
On July 27, 2020, he “was a member of the SCOPE Team,” which he described as “a street team”
that focused on violent offenders and people with warrants. On that date, he and other officers
were looking for defendant and visited Sun Valley Terrace. Wessner stated that while driving a
squad car, he entered a cul-de-sac and noticed a car. He and the driver of the car looked at one
another, and Wessner recognized the driver as defendant.
¶ 45 Wessner further testified that when he “attempted to turn around to stop” the car,
defendant “[t]ook off driving” and “fled the scene.” Granger objected and, during a discussion
outside the jury’s presence, argued that the State was impermissibly attempting to show that
defendant had fled from the police when defendant had previously been found not guilty of that
offense in other proceedings. The State maintained Wessner’s testimony was relevant to show that
defendant knew he had an outstanding warrant for his arrest, stemming from the circumstances of
the first controlled drug buy. The trial court found Wessner’s testimony was relevant to
determining whether defendant knew that he had an outstanding warrant. However, the court also
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¶ 46 On further direct examination, Wessner testified that defendant drove his vehicle
from the area of Sun Valley Terrace to a particular street intersection located approximately 1.5
miles away. He followed defendant with his lights activated, and defendant was taken into custody
at the intersection.
¶ 47 Finally, the record shows that during the State’s case, the parties stipulated that
defendant had a prior felony conviction for residential burglary.
¶ 48 During defendant’s case-in-chief, Granger called Mitchell, defendant’s
grandmother, as a witness. Mitchell testified she resided at 3311 Sun Valley Terrace. On April 8,
2020, police officers came to her residence to ask about defendant’s whereabouts on April 2, 2020.
Mitchell stated she told the police that defendant arrived at her house between 9 and 9:30 a.m. She
asserted that defendant remained at her residence until approximately 10:30 or 10:35 a.m.
¶ 49 On cross-examination, Mitchell testified that she had a doctor’s appointment on the
morning of April 2, 2020. She maintained that she was at her appointment at about 8:30 a.m. and
that she returned home at around 10 a.m. Mitchell denied telling the police that she came home
from her doctor’s appointment at around 10:30 a.m. However, she acknowledged telling them that
defendant came to her residence “a little while” after she returned home. At trial, she estimated
defendant’s arrival to be at about 10 a.m. or 10:05 a.m. Mitchell also testified that a neighbor told
her defendant had come to her house earlier on April 2, 2020, when she was not home. She
acknowledged that she did not tell the police about what her neighbor told her. Mitchell also
acknowledged that she had been in the courtroom during defendant’s trial. When asked whether
she realized that saying she arrived home at 10 a.m. gave defendant an alibi, she responded, “I
don’t know.”
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8, 2020, he spoke with Mitchell about defendant. According to Donato, Mitchell reported that she
last saw defendant on April 2, 2020. She stated she went to a doctor’s appointment at 9 a.m. that
morning and returned home at 10:30 a.m. Mitchell recalled that defendant “arrived a short time
after she arrived back home.”
¶ 51 During deliberations, the jury asked to view some of the evidence in the case,
including Vereecken’s recorded interview with the police. By agreement of the parties, the jury
was allowed access to the same excerpts of Vereecken’s recorded interview that were admitted
into evidence and published during the trial. Ultimately, the jury found defendant guilty of first
degree murder and unlawful possession of a weapon by felon. It also found proven the allegation
that defendant personally discharged a firearm that proximately caused the death of another person.
¶ 52 Following his trial, defendant submitted pro se filings alleging Granger provided
ineffective assistance during the various stages of his trial. He asked the trial court to conduct a
Krankel inquiry (see People v. Krankel, 102 Ill. 2d 181 (1984)) into his pro se claims.
¶ 53 In October 2022, Granger filed a posttrial motion on defendant’s behalf, seeking a
judgment notwithstanding the verdict or a new trial. In November 2022, defendant retained new
counsel, attorney Glenn Jazwiec, who entered his appearance on defendant’s behalf. Jazwiec
represented to the trial court that he intended to represent defendant in connection with his
ineffective-assistance claims against Granger and, over several dates in 2023 and 2024, hearings
were held on those claims. The court characterized the hearings as Krankel proceedings, and
although the State was present for the hearings, the court did not allow it to participate.
¶ 54 The record shows Jazwiec presented testimony from both Granger and defendant,
and the trial court also questioned the witnesses. In presenting argument to the court, Jazwiec
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for trial with defendant, (2) failing to question potential jurors during jury selection, (3) failing to
file a motion to dismiss defendant’s case on speedy trial grounds, and (4) calling Mitchell as a
witness. In May 2024, the court entered a written order, denying defendant’s “motion for
ineffective assistance of counsel,” finding that “trial counsel was not ineffective.”
¶ 55 In August 2024, Jazwiec filed an amended posttrial motion on defendant’s behalf,
alleging defendant’s right to a speedy trial had been violated. In October 2024, the trial court
entered a written order denying defendant’s amended posttrial motion. In December 2024, it
sentenced him to concurrent sentences of 80 years in prison for first degree murder and 14 years
in prison for unlawful possession of a weapon by a felon.
¶ 56 This appeal followed.
¶ 57 II. ANALYSIS
¶ 58 A. Ineffective Assistance of Trial Counsel
¶ 59 On appeal, defendant first argues that Granger provided ineffective assistance at his
trial. He asserts multiple bases of deficient performance by Granger and contends that such
deficiencies, either alone or cumulatively, affected the jury’s verdict and denied him his right to a
fair trial.
¶ 60 Ineffective-assistance-of-counsel claims are evaluated under the two-pronged test
set forth in Strickland v. Washington, 466 U.S. 668 (1984), which requires that a defendant show
both that (1) his counsel’s actions fell below an objective standard of reasonableness and
(2) counsel’s deficient performance caused him prejudice. People v. Yankaway, 2025 IL 130207,
¶ 61. Under the first prong, counsel’s performance is “measured against prevailing professional
norms.” Id. ¶ 62. “Under the second prong, the defendant must show that, but for counsel’s
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have been different.” Id. To prevail, the defendant must satisfy both Strickland prongs. Id. “The
failure to satisfy either prong of the Strickland test precludes a finding of ineffective assistance of
counsel.” Id.
¶ 61 1. Admission of Cell Phone Records
¶ 62 Defendant’s initial ineffective assistance claim concerns Granger’s failure to object
to the admission of the cell phone records associated with Foley’s phone—phone number 0549—
and the two cell phones alleged to have been in defendant’s possession at the time of the murder—
phone numbers 0237 and 6501. He asserts that the cell phone records were not properly
authenticated in that the certifications accompanying them failed to comply with Illinois Rule of
Evidence 902(11) (eff. Sept. 28, 2018). Defendant maintains Granger should have objected to the
authenticity of the records in response to the motions in limine the State filed seeking their
admission and that he performed deficiently in failing to do so. He also contends that Granger’s
failure to object was highly prejudicial because the State’s case heavily relied on the records and
the evidence obtained therefrom. According to defendant, none of the testimony and evidence
derived from the cell phone records would have been admitted had Granger objected based on the
deficiencies in the certifications, making it “plausible that the result of trial would have been
different absent counsel’s error.”
¶ 63 The record shows that, prior to trial, the State filed motions in limine, asking the
trial court to allow the admission of cell phone records relevant to the case from Verizon and T-
Mobile. Citing Illinois Rule of Evidence 803(6) (eff. Mar. 24, 2022) and Rule 902(11) (eff. Sept.
28, 2018), the State alleged that the custodians of the records had provided “certification as to the
accuracy” of the records and that the records were self-authenticating. The State submitted
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¶ 64 At hearings on the State’s motions, Granger offered no objection to the admission
of the records. Specifically, he denied having any objection to the records based on foundational
issues, indicated he would have no problem with the records being presented at trial through
stipulation, and commented that the records were business records and self-authenticating. The
trial court granted the State’s motions to admit the records.
¶ 65 In responding to defendant’s argument on appeal, the State argues that Granger did
not perform deficiently by electing to stipulate to the admissibility of the phone records. It asserts
that even assuming bases existed for challenging the certifications submitted with the records,
defendant cannot show that the State would have been unable to cure the defects and provide
proper certifications. The State posits that Granger likely “knew that establishing a proper
foundation would have been very easy for the State and also knew the documents were accurate.”
¶ 66 Illinois Rule of Evidence 803(6) (eff. Mar. 24, 2022) sets forth a hearsay exception
for records that are “kept in the course of a regularly conducted business activity.” Under the rule,
the records must be supported “by the testimony of the custodian or other qualified witness, or by
certification that complies with Rule 902(11).” Id.
¶ 67 In turn, Rule 902(11) provides that a proper certification must be in writing and
made by the custodian of the record or other qualified person. Ill. R. Evid. 902(11) (eff. Sept. 28,
2018). The custodian must certify the record:
“(A) was made at or near the time of the occurrence of the matters set forth
by, or from information transmitted by, a person with knowledge of these matters;
(B) was kept in the course of the regularly conducted activity; and
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The rule further states that “[t]he word ‘certification’ *** means *** a written declaration under
oath subject to the penalty of perjury.” Id.
¶ 68 Here, defendant argues that Granger should have objected to the State’s motions to
admit the cell phone records because (1) none of the certifications submitted with the records
“mention any oath at all” and (2) two of the certifications failed to state that they were made
“ ‘under the penalty of perjury.’ ” As defendant points out, this court has held that “[t]he language
of Rule 902(11) could not be more clear: a ‘certification’ that passes muster under the rule is ‘a
written declaration under oath subject to the penalty of perjury.’ [Citation.] The rule requires a
certification be made under oath.” People v. Fox, 2022 IL App (4th) 210262, ¶ 81. In Fox, we
found that there was nothing on the face of the challenged certifications “to indicate they were
made under oath” and, as a result, the trial court had erred in finding the certifications complied
with Rule 902(11). Id. ¶¶ 81-82.
¶ 69 In this case, there appears to be no dispute by the State that the certifications at
issue suffer from similar defects. As defendant argues, only one certification states it was attested
to under the “penalty of perjury,” and nothing on the face of any of the certifications indicates that
they were made “under oath.” Ill. R. Evid. 902(11) (eff. Sept. 28, 2018); see People v. Hauck, 2022
IL App (2d) 191111, ¶ 49 (finding noncompliance with Rule 902(11) where a certification did “not
contain any indication that an oath was sworn or to whom it was sworn”).
¶ 70 However, while we agree that the certifications in this case failed to comply with
Rule 902(11), we cannot agree that defendant can establish that he received ineffective assistance
based on Granger’s failure to object to the certifications and the records they accompanied. In
particular, defendant cannot establish the prejudice prong of the Strickland test. We find this
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persuasive as to this issue.
¶ 71 In Jones, the defendant argued on appeal that his defense counsel was ineffective
for failing to object to the admission of phone records on the basis that the certification that
accompanied the records “did not meet the requirements for self-authentication under Rule
902(11).” Id. ¶ 155. We rejected the defendant’s claim, in part, due to a lack of prejudice. Id.
¶¶ 169-171. Relevant to this appeal, we found that nothing in the record suggested “that if defense
counsel had objected to the admission of the records on the basis that they were not properly
certified, the State would not have been able to lay the proper foundation, either by obtaining new
certifications or calling a witness who could authenticate the records.” Id. ¶ 171. In so holding, we
cited People v. Aquisto, 2022 IL App (4th) 200081, ¶ 64, which held similarly in the context of a
failure to raise a chain-of-custody objection. Jones, 2023 IL App (4th) 220721-U, ¶ 170. Notably,
we cited that case for the following discussion:
“ ‘Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that the omission of a chain-of-custody
objection was deficient performance. Even so, to find prejudice from the omission
of such an objection, we would have to find a reasonable probability that, if defense
counsel had made such a chain-of-custody objection, the State would have been
unable to cure the objection (and, consequently, the circuit court would have
refused to admit People’s exhibit No. 1 and would have acquitted defendant of
count IV). In the record before us, we find no basis for asserting a reasonable
probability that the State would have been incapable of curing any chain-of-custody
objection.’ ” Id. (quoting Aquisto, 2022 IL App (4th) 200081, ¶ 64).
¶ 72 The same is true in the present case. To show prejudice, defendant had to establish
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properly certified, the State would have been unable to cure the defect in the certifications. The
only defects in the certifications that defendant points to on appeal are that the certifications were
not made “under oath subject to the penalty of perjury.” Ill. R. Evid. 902(11) (eff. Sept. 28, 2018).
Nothing in the appellate record suggests that the State could not have provided new and proper
certifications or presented witness testimony to authenticate the cell phone records had the
deficiencies in the certificates been brought to its attention.
¶ 73 In his reply brief, defendant points out that each certification for cell phone records
that the State presented was deficient in the same manner (including certifications for records
associated with two cell phone numbers that he does not challenge on appeal). He contends “[t]he
State’s repeated submission of facially deficient certifications supports the inference that it either
did not have the ability to exert control over the contents [of] certifications presented by the record
keepers[ ] or did not have a procedure in place to effectuate changes.” We disagree. Each of the
certifications referenced by defendant involved a different set of phone records (associated with
different and distinct phone numbers) that the State was seeking to have admitted for the first time.
This is not a case where the State repeatedly failed to cure defects in the certifications after the
errors were brought to its attention.
¶ 74 Under the circumstances presented, we find defendant cannot show Strickland
prejudice. Accordingly, he cannot establish that Granger was ineffective for failing to object to the
admission of the cell phone records associated with phone numbers 0549, 6501, and 0237.
¶ 75 2. The State’s Direct Examination of Vereecken
¶ 76 On appeal, defendant next argues that Granger was ineffective for failing to object
to the admission of some of Vereecken’s recorded statements to the police. Specifically, he
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he killed that person” and that he heard Prada tell Ice-o that he shot the victim “when [the victim]
came up to the window to buy,” (2) Prada tell Ice-o that he “smoked that dude” after getting the
person to buy from him again and (3) Prada tell Ice-o that he got “a new line” and “tricked” a
person into “letting [Prada] serve him again.” According to defendant, the challenged statements—
admitted through the State’s leading questions to Vereecken and its publishing of excerpts of
Vereecken’s recorded police interview—were inadmissible as substantive evidence because they
concerned matters outside of Vereecken’s own personal knowledge. He also asserts that the
challenged statements were inadmissible as impeachment because Vereecken had not first testified
“in a manner that affirmatively damaged the State’s case.”
¶ 77 For the reasons that follow, we agree with defendant that Vereecken’s challenged
statements were inadmissible. We also find that Granger performed deficiently by failing to object
to the admission of the challenged statements and that defendant suffered prejudice as a result.
¶ 78 a. Substantive Evidence
¶ 79 Generally, a witness’s out-of-court statements are considered hearsay and are
“incompetent as substantive evidence.” People v. Simpson, 2015 IL 116512, ¶ 27. However,
section 115-10.1 of the Code of Criminal Procedure of 1963 (Code) (725 ILCS 5/115-10.1 (West
2022)), titled “Admissibility of Prior Inconsistent Statements,” permits the use of a witness’s prior
inconsistent statements as substantive evidence under certain specified circumstances. Section
115-10.1 states as follows:
“In all criminal cases, evidence of a statement made by a witness is not made
inadmissible by the hearsay rule if
(a) the statement is inconsistent with his testimony at the hearing or trial,
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(b) the witness is subject to cross-examination concerning the statement,
and
(c) the statement—
(1) was made under oath at a trial, hearing, or other proceeding, or
(2) narrates, describes, or explains an event or condition of which
the witness had personal knowledge, and
(A) the statement is proved to have been written or signed
by the witness, or
(B) the witness acknowledged under oath the making of the
statement either in his testimony at the hearing or trial in which the
admission into evidence of the prior statement is being sought, or at
a trial, hearing, or other proceeding, or
(C) the statement is proved to have been accurately recorded
by a tape recorder, videotape recording, or any other similar
electronic means of sound recording.” Id.
¶ 80 In this instance, Vereecken’s challenged prior inconsistent statements were made
during an interview with the police and not “under oath at a trial, hearing, or other proceeding.”
Id. § 115-10.1(c)(1). Thus, to be admissible as substantive evidence, the statements had to
“narrate[ ], describe[ ], or explain[ ] an event or condition of which [Vereecken] had personal
knowledge.” (Emphasis added.) Id. § 115-10.1(c)(2).
¶ 81 The “personal knowledge” requirement was designed to “ensure that out-of-court
statements are trustworthy.” Simpson, 2015 IL 116512, ¶ 32. As used in section 115-10.1(c)(2),
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perceived the events that are the subject of the statement, not merely the statement of those events
made by the defendant.” Id. ¶ 41. “In other words, the witness must have observed the events being
spoken of, rather than simply hearing about them afterwards.” (Internal quotation marks omitted.)
People v. Thornton, 2024 IL App (4th) 220798, ¶ 61.
¶ 82 In Simpson, 2015 IL 116512, ¶¶ 31-34, the supreme court determined that a
witness’s videotaped statement was not admissible as substantive evidence under section 115-
10.1(c)(2) where the witness only had personal knowledge of the defendant’s admission to the
crime and not personal knowledge of the crime itself. This case presents the same circumstances.
Vereecken’s challenged statements clearly do not describe an event of which he had personal
knowledge. Rather, the statements show only that Vereecken heard defendant make statements
indicating that he shot and killed Foley. Vereecken, though, did not witness the shooting.
Accordingly, the statements that defendant challenges on appeal were not admissible as
substantive evidence under section 115-10.1.
¶ 83 In so holding, we find it important to note that Simpson contains an incorrect
statement of law with respect to the definition of hearsay. In that case, the supreme court wrote the
following: “It is a well settled general rule that what a witness states out of court and out of the
presence of the defendant is pure hearsay and is incompetent as substantive evidence.” (Emphasis
added.) Id. ¶ 27. The above statement is only partially correct because although “what a witness
states out of court *** is pure hearsay and is incompetent as substantive evidence,” whether that
statement occurred “out of the presence of the defendant” is irrelevant. While this court has no
authority to overrule a decision of our supreme court (see Blumenthal v. Brewer, 2016 IL 118781,
¶ 28), we find it appropriate to point out the inaccuracy of the above statement and that it is
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¶ 84 In People v. Carpenter, 28 Ill. 2d 116, 120 (1963), the supreme court discussed a
case in which it was claimed that the defendant’s presence was a factor in determining whether a
statement was hearsay. The supreme court wrote the following:
“Defendant contends the receipt by the court of testimony concerning a
conversation between the agent Jackson and Parson outside the defendant’s
presence was error. Jackson related that in this conversation the co-defendant,
Parson, told him he had pure heroin for sale at a certain price, that Jackson paid him
the required amount of money and was told by Parson to wait in the tavern and
someone would get in touch with him in about an hour. The only basis assigned by
counsel in his objection to this testimony on the trial was that the conversation
occurred ‘outside the presence of defendant[.’] Seemingly, this type of objection,
frequently appearing in the trial records before this court, arises from a
misconception of the rules of evidence, and a belief that any statement or
conversation occurring in the absence of defendant is inadmissible. Such is not the
law.
While we are not clear as to the origin of this notion, it apparently is
connected in some way with the hearsay rule. An examination of the basis for this
rule will clarify the situation. ‘Hearsay evidence is testimony in court or written
evidence, of a statement made out of court, such statement being offered as an
assertion to show the truth of matters asserted therein, and thus resting for its value
upon the credibility of the out-of-court asserter.’ [Citations.] The fundamental
purpose of the hearsay rule was and is to test the real value of testimony by exposing
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offered. While the administration of an oath and the right of confrontation are also
spoken of as necessary elements, the essential feature, without which testimonial
offerings must be rejected, is the opportunity for cross-examination of the party
whose assertions are offered to prove the truth of the act asserted. [Citations.] If
this requirement is met, with the exception of instances such as those where the
silence of the defendant is claimed to constitute an implied admission, the presence
or absence of the defendant is immaterial.” (Emphasis added.) Id. at 120-21.
See Michael H. Graham, Cleary and Graham’s Handbook of Illinois Evidence § 801.7 (2022
ed.) (stating “[t]he frequently heard objection in criminal cases that the statement was made
outside the presence of the defendant has now been put firmly to rest” and “the presence or
absence of the defendant, except where an admission by silence is asserted, is irrelevant to a
determination of hearsay”); 2 McCormick’s Handbook of the Law of Evidence § 246 (Robert
P. Mosteller ed., 9th ed. Feb. 2025 Update) (stating “[a] remarkably persistent bit of courthouse
folklore is that statements are inadmissible if not made in the presence of the party against
whom they are offered” and that such an “objection is not related to the basic concept of
hearsay”).
¶ 85 The supreme court’s own rules of evidence further indicate that the question of
whether a defendant was present for an out-of-court statement is generally immaterial when
defining what constitutes hearsay. Specifically, Illinois Rule of Evidence 801(c) (eff. Oct. 15,
2015), contains the following definition: “ ‘Hearsay’ is a statement, other than one made by the
declarant while testifying at the trial or hearing, offered in evidence to prove the truth of the matter
asserted.” This is the standard definition of hearsay with which lawyers and judges have been long
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defendant.”
¶ 86 Hearsay is similarly defined under the Federal Rules of Evidence, which provide
as follows: “ ‘Hearsay’ means a statement that: (1) the declarant does not make while testifying at
the current trial or hearing; and (2) a party offers in evidence to prove the truth of the matter
asserted in the statement.” Fed. R. Evid. 801(c). Again, the federal rule includes no reference to
“the presence of the defendant” when determining whether a statement is hearsay.
¶ 87 This court knows from its experience that lawyers and judges frequently have
difficulty applying the rules of evidence pertaining to hearsay, particularly given the many
exceptions under which that evidence may be admissible. Accordingly, it is important that Illinois
courts not contribute to confusion concerning hearsay evidence by incorrectly stating that a factor,
such as whether the defendant was present when the out-of-court statement was made, has any
relevance to determining whether a statement is, in fact, hearsay.
¶ 88 b. Impeachment
¶ 89 Next, when a prior inconsistent statement is not admissible as substantive evidence,
it may still be used for impeachment if “the testimony of that witness does ‘affirmative damage’
to the party’s case.” People v. Sangster, 2014 IL App (1st) 113457, ¶ 62. As to this issue, the
Illinois Rules of Evidence state as follows:
“The credibility of a witness may be attacked by any party, including the
party calling the witness, except that the credibility of a witness may be attacked
by the party calling the witness by means of a prior inconsistent statement only
upon a showing of affirmative damage.” Ill. R. Evid. 607 (eff. Jan. 1, 2011).
¶ 90 “Impeachment is intended as a means to cancel out damaging testimony.” People
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positive aid to an adversary’s case.” (Internal quotation marks omitted.) Id. at 360. “It is only when
the witness’ testimony is more damaging than his [or her] complete failure to testify would have
been that impeachment is useful.” (Internal quotation marks omitted.) Sangster, 2014 IL App (1st)
113457, ¶ 62. Evidence that neither contradicts any of the State’s evidence nor provides “aid to
defendant’s body of evidence” is neutral and not damaging to the State. Cruz, 162 Ill. 2d at 362.
Also, “a witness’s professed lack of memory, standing alone, does not ‘affirmatively damage’ a
party’s case for the purpose of impeaching one’s own witness.” People v. Wilson, 2012 IL App
(1st) 101038, ¶ 45.
¶ 91 In this case, Vereecken testified at trial that he did not recall making the challenged
statements during his recorded interview with the police. His professed lack of memory of the
specific statements at issue did not give positive aid to defendant’s case. Although disappointing
to the State, Vereecken’s inability to remember was neutral and not affirmatively damaging to the
State. As a result, we also agree that the challenged statements were not admissible as
impeachment.
¶ 92 c. Present Recollection Refreshed and
Past Recollection Recorded
¶ 93 On appeal, the State does not dispute that Vereecken’s challenged statements were
inadmissible as either substantive evidence under section 115-10.1 or as impeachment. Instead, it
submits that Granger cannot be deemed ineffective because the statements were admissible under
the past recollection recorded exception to the hearsay rule following the State’s attempt to refresh
Vereecken’s recollection. The State asserts that once Vereecken testified that he did not recall
making the challenged statements to the police, the prosecutor was entitled to attempt to refresh
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State, if Vereecken’s recollection was refreshed, “he could have testified regarding those
statements.” If his recollection was not refreshed, “the statements could have been admitted as
past[ ]recollections recorded.”
¶ 94 In this case, the State did not follow the proper procedure for attempting to refresh
Vereecken’s recollection. Also, it cannot satisfy all the necessary requirements for admission of
the challenged statements under the past recollection recorded exception to the hearsay rule.
¶ 95 A witness may only testify “to facts within his knowledge and recollection.” People
v. Griswold, 405 Ill. 533, 541 (1950). However, if a witness “has no memory concerning the facts
in question,” his memory may be refreshed. People v. Shatner, 174 Ill. 2d 133, 153 (1996). “[T]he
manner and mode of refreshing a witness’[s] memory rests within the discretion of the trial court.”
Id. A court has wide discretion to allow a witness’s recollection to be refreshed “from virtually
any source.” People v. Pappas, 66 Ill. App. 3d 360, 374 (1978).
¶ 96 When the witness’s memory is refreshed, the witness must testify from his own
independent recollection. People v. Cantlin, 348 Ill. App. 3d 998, 1003 (2004) (citing Griswold,
405 Ill. at 541-42). Additionally, it is improper for the content of the material used to refresh the
witness’s memory to be “merely read into evidence.” In re Estate of Frakes, 2020 IL App (3d)
180649, ¶ 38 (stating a police report may be used to refresh a witness’s recollection so long as the
report was not “merely read into evidence”). Notably, in Graham’s Handbook of Illinois Evidence,
Professor Michael H. Graham wrote the following regarding refreshing a witness’s recollection:
“The process of refreshing recollection must be conducted so as to prevent
inadmissible evidence from being suggested to the jury by any means. ***
When refreshing recollection is by means of leading question, counsel may
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testimony before the trier of fact if the matter under consideration is of significance
in the litigation. For example, when the prosecution seeks to refresh the recollection
of a witness it has called regarding a statement bearing directly on the guilt of the
defendant, the prosecutor may not use the substance of the statement in her
question. Accordingly, a question such as ‘Didn’t the defendant tell you, on July 4
at the Ace Bar and Grill, that he shot Mary Jane?’ propounded in open court to
refresh recollection is objectionable.” Michael H. Graham, Clearly and Graham’s
Handbook of Illinois Evidence § 611.9 (2022 ed.).
See Reed v. Northwestern Publishing Co., 124 Ill. 2d 495, 529-30 (1988) (declining to find an
abuse of discretion where prior testimony was quoted as a means of refreshing a witness’s
recollection but stating that a “better practice” was “to have the prior testimony recounted outside
the jury’s presence”).
¶ 97 “If a witness lacks independent recollection of the occurrence about which he is
testifying and a record or memorandum fails to refresh his current recollection, the [record or
memorandum] itself may be admissible as a recorded recollection if certain foundational
requirements are met.” Cantlin, 348 Ill. App. 3d at 1003. The Illinois Rules of Evidence set forth
the exception to the hearsay rule for recorded recollections, stating as follows:
“Recorded Recollection. A memorandum or record concerning a matter
about which a witness once had knowledge but now has insufficient recollection to
enable the witness to testify fully and accurately, shown to have been made or
adopted by the witness when the matter was fresh in the witness’ memory and to
reflect that knowledge correctly.” Ill. R. Evid. R. 803(5) (eff. Mar. 24, 2022).
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four prerequisites:
“(1) the witness had firsthand knowledge of the recorded event; (2) the written [or
recorded] statement was made at or near the time of the event and while the witness
had a clear and accurate memory of it; (3) the witness lacks present recollection of
the event; and (4) the witness can vouch for the accuracy of the written [or
recorded] statement.” People v. Speed, 315 Ill. App. 3d 511, 515 (2000).
¶ 98 Here, the procedure the State employed during its direct examination of Vereecken
in no way resembled the appropriate procedure for refreshing a witness’s recollection. The State
asked leading questions that incorporated the content of Vereecken’s anticipated testimony and
which contained statements bearing directly on defendant’s guilt. The State then played excerpts
of Vereecken’s recorded statements to the police, publishing the recordings on the record and in
the presence of the jury. The State also largely failed to determine whether Vereecken’s
recollection had actually been refreshed by any of the recordings it published. Moreover, the
statements from Vereecken that defendant challenges on appeal were not admissible, even under
the past recollection recorded exception to the hearsay rule.
¶ 99 The State’s argument on appeal depends upon a finding that all the requirements
for the past recollection recorded exception were met. However, as defendant contends, the State
clearly cannot establish the fourth prerequisite for application of the exception because Vereecken
did not vouch for the accuracy of the challenged statements. Instead, on direct examination, he
testified he did not recall making the statements and that he was under the influence at the time of
his police interview. Additionally, on cross-examination, Vereecken testified that his recorded
statements to the police were not true, he told the police “untruths to help [himself] out,” and he
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¶ 100 The State describes the fourth prerequisite as “irrelevant” in this case because “the
camera certainly recorded [Vereecken’s] statements accurately.” However, we agree with
defendant that the witness must acknowledge the accuracy of the substance of the recorded
recollection when made, not simply the accuracy of the recording that captured it. See id. (finding
a witness did not vouch for the accuracy of her written statement because she “did not testify that
the statement was accurate when written”). Even the case authority that the State relies upon to
support its argument recognizes this proposition. See People v. Jackson, 2023 IL App (2d) 210658-
U, ¶ 44 (finding the fourth prerequisite was established where the witness “testified that he
recognized his voice on the tape, those were his words on the tape, and he was being truthful when
he made his statement”). Accordingly, the State cannot establish the admissibility of Vereecken’s
challenged statements under the past recollection recorded exception to the hearsay rule.
¶ 101 d. Deficient Performance and Prejudice
¶ 102 As stated, defendant argues Granger’s performance was deficient because he failed
to object to the challenged statements from Vereecken at trial. We agree. The statements at issue
contained evidence that defendant had confessed to Foley’s murder. As noted by our supreme
court, “a confession is the most powerful piece of evidence the State can offer, and its effect on a
jury is incalculable.” (Internal quotation marks omitted.) Simpson, 2015 IL 116512, ¶ 36.
Additionally, as discussed, the challenged statements were not admissible as substantive evidence,
impeachment, or under the past recollection recorded exception to the hearsay rule. Despite the
inadmissibility of the challenged statements and the fact that they contained “powerful” evidence
of defendant’s confession to the charged offenses, Granger did not object to their admission. An
objection by Granger should have resulted in the challenged statements being excluded from the
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standard of reasonableness under the first Strickland prong.
¶ 103 Defendant argues he was prejudiced by Granger’s deficient performance because
the challenged statements contained prejudicial details of how the shooting occurred and amounted
to evidence that he confessed to Foley’s murder. He also contends that, aside from Vereecken’s
improperly admitted statements, no direct evidence connected him to the shooting, and the State’s
case was otherwise “entirely circumstantial.”
¶ 104 Again, a confession is a “powerful piece of evidence *** and its effect on a jury is
incalculable.” (Internal quotation marks omitted.) Id. In Simpson, the supreme court found that the
recorded prior inconsistent statement of a witness was erroneously admitted as substantive
evidence at the defendant’s murder trial. Id. ¶ 34. In the recorded statement, the witness “basically
told [the] police that [the] defendant confessed to beating the victim to death.” Id. ¶ 36. The court
held that the defendant’s trial counsel performed deficiently by failing to object to the admission
of the evidence. Id. The court also determined that although there had been sufficient evidence
presented to support a finding of guilt absent the improperly admitted evidence, the defendant was
prejudiced by his counsel’s error. Id. ¶¶ 37-39.
¶ 105 Here, like in Simpson, there clearly was sufficient evidence presented by the State
to support a finding of defendant’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Specifically, the State
presented evidence that defendant had a motive for the killing, given Foley’s participation as a
confidential informant in a drug investigation that targeted him. Admissible statements from
Vereecken, admitted as substantive evidence, connected defendant to a black Impala, the same
type of car used by the shooter, and indicated defendant tried to enlist Vereecken to shoot Foley.
Additionally, evidence linked defendant to two cell phones that records showed were in the vicinity
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overwhelming, and the error in the admission of Vereecken’s challenged statements was
significant. The jury heard the inadmissible statements through the questions posed to Vereecken
by the State and then through the State’s publishing of excerpts of Vereecken’s recorded police
interview. The jury also requested and was given permission to view Vereecken’s recorded
statements during its deliberations, suggesting the challenged statements were a significant piece
of evidence at trial.
¶ 106 During his rebuttal closing argument, the prosecutor generally argued that
Vereecken had been “truthful” during his interview with the police and was “telling everything
that he knew.” Such circumstances create a risk that the jury treated the inadmissible statements
containing defendant’s alleged confession as substantive evidence.
¶ 107 To establish prejudice under the second Strickland prong, defendant was required
to “show that, but for counsel’s deficient performance, there is a reasonable probability that the
result of the proceeding would have been different.” Yankaway, 2025 IL 130207, ¶ 62. “A
reasonable probability is a probability sufficient to undermine confidence in the outcome.” People
v. Lewis, 2022 IL 126705, ¶ 46. Defendant has met this burden in the present case. The serious
error involving the improper admission of Vereecken’s challenged statements undermines our
confidence in the outcome of defendant’s trial.
¶ 108 Defendant has established both that Granger’s performance fell below an objective
standard of reasonableness and that he was prejudiced as a result. Accordingly, we reverse
defendant’s convictions and remand his case for a new trial.
¶ 109 3. Remaining Ineffective Assistance of Counsel Claims
¶ 110 On appeal, defendant raises several additional ineffective-assistance claims against
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to the improper admission of Vereecken’s challenged statements, we need not address these
additional claims. We find these additional errors alleged by defendant are unlikely to recur on
remand.
¶ 111 B. Ineffective Assistance of Posttrial Counsel
¶ 112 On appeal, defendant also argues that Jazwiec, his posttrial counsel, provided
ineffective assistance. Specifically, he contends that Jazwiec was ineffective because he failed to
raise or to properly present claims that Granger was ineffective. We note that posttrial counsel
provides ineffective assistance by failing to raise meritorious claims of trial counsel’s
ineffectiveness. People v. Moore, 307 Ill. App. 3d 107, 114 (1999); see People v. Jones, 2026 IL
App (4th) 250581, ¶ 51. In this instance, because we find defendant successfully established
Granger’s ineffectiveness in failing to object to the admission of some of Vereecken’s prior
inconsistent statements, we also find that Jazwiec was ineffective for failing to raise that claim
during posttrial proceedings.
¶ 113 Additionally, we are compelled to comment on the posttrial procedures followed
below. The record shows that, after his trial, defendant raised pro se claims of ineffective
assistance of counsel, which the trial court correctly recognized triggered a Krankel inquiry to
investigate his claims. We note the “ ‘purpose of the preliminary [Krankel] inquiry is to give the
defendant an opportunity to flesh out his claim of ineffective assistance so the court can determine
whether appointment of new counsel is necessary.” People v. Harkey, 2025 IL App (4th) 230523,
¶ 69 (quoting People v. Ayres, 2017 IL 120071, ¶ 20). In conducting a Krankel inquiry, the trial
court may ask the defendant about his claims and ask trial counsel to comment. Id. However, “the
State is not permitted to participate.” Id.
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counsel should be appointed, there are only two possible outcomes when a trial
court conducts a Krankel inquiry: (1) the court appoints new counsel who should
then conduct an independent evaluation of the defendant’s ineffective assistance
claims and take whatever action counsel thinks would be appropriate or (2) the
court does not appoint new counsel and posttrial matters proceed as in any other
case.” (Emphasis in original.) Id. ¶ 72.
¶ 114 Here, before the trial court could conduct the Krankel inquiry into defendant’s
pro se claims, defendant obtained new counsel to represent him in connection with those claims.
Where a defendant has retained a new attorney “to independently evaluate and pursue” his
ineffective-assistance claims, a Krankel hearing is no longer necessary, and “the question of
whether the court need appoint counsel to pursue those claims simply does not exist.” Id. ¶ 75. If
the defendant’s new counsel determines the defendant’s ineffective-assistance claims have merit,
“then new counsel should file a motion for a new trial *** alleging [the] defendant’s trial counsel’s
ineffectiveness.” Id. ¶ 79.
¶ 115 Here, despite defendant having obtained new counsel to independently investigate
and present his ineffective assistance of trial counsel claims, the trial court characterized the
proceedings on those claims as Krankel proceedings. Moreover, it did not allow the State to
participate in the hearings. What should have occurred, was for defendant’s new counsel, Jazwiec,
to file a motion for a new trial raising all the ineffective assistance of trial counsel claims that in
his professional judgment had merit and for the State to then be permitted to participate in the
hearing on that motion.
¶ 116 C. Defendant’s Remaining Claims of Error
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admitting prior bad act evidence related to the second controlled drug buy involving Foley and
(2) violated Illinois Supreme Court Rule 431(b) (eff. July 1, 2012) with respect to its questioning
of a juror. Because we find defendant established the ineffective assistance of his trial and posttrial
counsel and remand for a new trial, we find it unnecessary to address these remaining claims.
¶ 118 III. CONCLUSION
¶ 119 For the reasons stated, we reverse the trial court’s judgment and remand for a new
trial.
¶ 120 Reversed and remanded.
¶ 121 JUSTICE STEIGMANN, specially concurring:
¶ 122 Although I am in complete agreement with my distinguished colleagues and join
the opinion in full, I write this special concurrence because this case contains some additional,
important evidentiary issues.
¶ 123 I. THE STATE’S REQUEST TO INTRODUCE VARIOUS PORTIONS OF
VEREECKEN’S VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW UNDER THE GUISE OF
REFRESHING HIS RECOLLECTION WAS COMPLETELY IMPROPER,
AND THE TRIAL COURT COMMITTED MANIFEST ERROR BY
GRANTING IT
¶ 124 This court’s opinion correctly rejects the State’s efforts to justify the admission of
the videotape of Vereecken’s interview with the police under the doctrines of either present
recollection refreshed or past recollection recorded, but I suggest that this court’s rejection could
have been even stronger.
¶ 125 In my opinion, the most serious problem with the State’s arguments is that they
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evidence in question was proper—namely, is that evidence even admissible?
¶ 126 In other words, unless the evidence at issue is otherwise admissible, the trial court
need not concern itself with whether a witness’s present recollection is refreshed or his past
recollection is recorded. And in this case, it was not.
¶ 127 When Vereecken testified at defendant’s trial inconsistently with his videotaped
statements to the police—that is, when Vereecken testified that he did not remember any
conversations with defendant—then, as my distinguished colleagues have explained, Vereecken’s
prior inconsistent statements to the police were admissible only if the State could lay a proper
foundation for their admissibility under section 115-10.1(c)(2) of the Code. See 725 ILCS 5/115-
10.1(c)(2) (West 2022). However, Vereecken’s testimony was not admissible under that
subsection because he had no “personal knowledge” of defendant’s murder of Foley; all Vereecken
knew about the murder was what defendant told him or said in his presence.
¶ 128 Because Vereecken’s prior inconsistent statements were not admissible, the State
improperly attempted to get those statements before the jury as either a present recollection
refreshed or past recollection recorded.
¶ 129 As this court’s opinion correctly notes, the State argues that “if Vereecken’s
recollection was refreshed, ‘he could have testified regarding those statements.’ If his recollection
was not refreshed, ‘the statements could have been admitted as past[ ]recollections recorded.’ ”
Supra ¶ 93. However, the State’s argument is totally wrong on both counts.
¶ 130 Vereecken’s recorded statements were not admissible under the guise of refreshing
his recollection for two independent reasons: (1) the recording ostensibly used to refresh his
recollection was not itself admissible and therefore should not have been shown to the jury and
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115-10.1(c)(2) for admissibility as substantive evidence. See id. Additionally, the State failed to
lay a proper foundation for a past recollection recorded statement. The State’s using either of these
doctrines—present recollection refreshed or past recollection recorded—could not somehow
“cleanse” the statements of the infirmities that rendered them inadmissible.
¶ 131 Although I fully agree with this court’s opinion that the State failed to satisfy all of
the necessary requirements for admission of the challenged statements as present recollection
refreshed or past recollection recorded (see supra ¶¶ 94-100), the initial and bigger problem with
the State’s efforts is that had the State properly relied upon either of these doctrines, Vereecken’s
prior inconsistent statements would still have been inadmissible.
¶ 132 Because the law in Illinois has been well settled for decades regarding the
foundation the State must lay to admit a witness’s prior inconsistent statement under section 115-
10.1(c)(2) of the Code, the State’s failure to properly lay such a foundation and to instead seek the
admission of Vereecken’s prior inconsistent statements pursuant to a claim of “refreshing his
recollection” borders on the bizarre.
¶ 133 II. THE TERM “EVENT” UNDER SECTION 115-10.1(c)(2) INCLUDES
DEFENDANT’S STATEMENTS REGARDING HIS CURRENT THOUGHTS
ABOUT FUTURE ACTS OR PRESENT INTENT TO COMMIT A FUTURE
ACT, INCLUDING A CRIME
¶ 134 In People v. Simpson, 2015 IL 116512, ¶ 1, the defendant was charged with first
degree murder in connection with the beating death of Phillip Thomas. At the defendant’s jury
trial, Vonzell Franklin testified that he was near the crime scene on the day of the murder but did
not recall what the defendant said to him or what Franklin told the police that night. Id.
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Franklin made to the police in which Franklin stated that the defendant told Franklin that the
defendant had hit Thomas 30 times with a bat. Id.
¶ 136 The appellate court reversed the defendant’s conviction and remanded for a new
trial, concluding that defense counsel was ineffective for failing to object to the introduction of
Franklin’s statement to the police because the “personal knowledge” requirement for the admission
of a prior inconsistent statement under section 115-10.1(c)(2) was not satisfied. Id.
¶ 137 The Illinois Supreme Court affirmed. Id.
¶ 138 At issue before the supreme court was the meaning of the phrase “event or condition
of which the witness had personal knowledge” as used in section 115-10.1(c)(2). (Internal
quotation marks omitted.) Id. ¶¶ 27-28. The State argued that because the “event” in question was
the defendant’s verbal admission to Franklin, he needed to have personal knowledge only of that
conversation. Id. ¶ 28. The defendant challenged that interpretation and argued that (1) the “event”
referred to in the statute was the crime the defendant allegedly committed and (2) Franklin had no
personal knowledge of that crime. Id.
¶ 139 The supreme court rejected the State’s argument and agreed with the defendant,
explaining, in part, as follows:
“The problem with the State’s reasoning is that it could just as easily be said that
the crime itself is an ‘event’ because it is something notable that happened, and
therefore when a witness makes a prior inconsistent statement describing an
admission to a crime, the crime is the ‘event’ subject to the personal knowledge
requirement. *** Furthermore, under the State’s interpretation, the ‘personal
knowledge’ requirement appears to serve no purpose because, even without
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did not hear or otherwise witness the speaker making the statements. People v.
Hobson, 2014 IL App (1st) 110585, ¶ 24; People v. Wilson, 2012 IL App (1st)
101038, ¶ 41 (‘[T]he State’s interpretation of the statute would essentially render
the personal knowledge language superfluous, as “[p]ersonal knowledge of the
existence of the statement is already required under the rubric of authentication.”
Michael H. Graham, Graham’s Handbook of Illinois Evidence § 801.11 (10th ed.
2010).’). Under these circumstances, then, we reject the State’s argument that the
statutory language is plain and clear in favor of the interpretation it proposes.” Id.
¶ 31.
¶ 140 In support of its conclusion, the supreme court wrote that “[n]umerous decisions of
our appellate court have rejected the precise argument the State makes here and have instead
concluded that the prior inconsistent statement is not admissible unless the witness actually
perceived the events that are the subject of the statement or admission.” Id. ¶ 32. The supreme
court then listed over 20 appellate court opinions spanning 26 years that had reached that
conclusion. Id.
¶ 141 The supreme court ultimately concluded as follows:
“In the present case, the State used Franklin’s videotaped statement as
substantive evidence that defendant struck Thomas numerous times with a bat.
Given that Franklin had no personal knowledge of the beating allegedly delivered
by defendant, Franklin’s out-of-court videotaped statement was not given the
imprimatur of admissibility by section 115-10.1. Accordingly, we conclude that if
defense counsel would have objected to Franklin’s videotaped statement, he could
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¶ 142 As a result of the supreme court’s decision in Simpson, it is now well settled that
Vereecken’s prior inconsistent statements in this case, in which he told the police what defendant
said to him about having killed Foley, were inadmissible as substantive evidence under section
115-10.1(c)(2) because Vereecken was not present when defendant killed Foley. Accordingly, the
State should not have offered that evidence, and the trial court should not have admitted it.
¶ 143 However, Vereecken also told the police about conversations he had with defendant
before Foley was killed, during which defendant spoke of his future plans to kill Foley.
¶ 144 For example, the prosecutor asked Vereecken the following question at trial:
“Q. The night before David Foley was murdered, did you tell the detectives
that the defendant told you he was going duck hunting the next day?
A. I don’t recall saying that either.”
¶ 145 The State then asked to publish exhibit 155M, which was a video recording of a
portion of Vereecken’s police interview. In that recording, he told the police that the night before
Foley was murdered, defendant told Vereecken that defendant was going “duck hunting” the next
day. Vereecken also explained to the police that the phrase “duck hunting” meant that defendant
was going to shoot somebody.
¶ 146 Later, during Vereecken’s testimony, he was asked, “Did you tell Detective Donato
that two weeks before the murder of David Foley, [defendant] said, ‘I need you to take care of
someone who did a controlled buy.’ [Defendant] said he would make sure that you were straight
and offered you cars?”
¶ 147 Vereecken responded, “I don’t recall.”
¶ 148 The State then asked the trial court to play video recording exhibit 155L, which the
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prosecutor’s question.
¶ 149 Recall that, in Simpson, the crime had already been committed, and the State’s
witness (Franklin) had no personal knowledge of what had happened. That is, when the defendant
in Simpson used a baseball bat to beat Thomas to death, Franklin was not present; he knew of that
incident only because of what the defendant had told him.
¶ 150 By contrast, in the present case, in the two instances of defendant’s statements to
Vereecken noted above, no crime had yet been committed. That is, defendant had not yet shot
Foley to death. That distinction makes all the difference. The “event” of which Vereecken needed
“personal knowledge” within the meaning of section 115-10.1(c)(2) could only have been
defendant’s speaking about his future plans to kill Foley.
¶ 151 Accordingly, I conclude that a defendant’s statements regarding his current
thoughts about committing a future act or his present intent to commit a future act, including his
intent to commit some crime in the future, are the “event,” within the meaning of section 115-
10.1(c)(2), about which someone hearing those statements (like Vereecken in this case) has
“personal knowledge” so as to be admissible as a prior inconsistent statement under section 115-
10.1(c)(2).
¶ 152 In so concluding, I acknowledge the many appellate court decisions that the
supreme court cited in Simpson regarding the meaning of “personal knowledge” of “an event”
under section 115-10.1(c)(2). However, all of those decisions, like Simpson itself, involved
circumstances in which the crime had already occurred. None of those cases address the situation
here—namely, a defendant’s statements about his current plans or present intent to commit a future
act, including his intent to commit some crime in the future, as opposed to a defendant’s
commenting upon acts that he committed in the past. Thus, a defendant’s musings about future

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conduct he is considering, if otherwise relevant, are admissible under section 115-10.1(c)(2) to the
same extent that a witness could testify from the witness stand about those musings.
¶ 153 This is an important distinction and is consistent with the purpose of section 115-
10.1, which was designed, in part, to (1) protect against turncoat witnesses and thereby
(2) strengthen the truth-seeking process of trial court proceedings. Because Vereecken’s testimony
about defendant’s future plans would clearly have been admissible had Vereecken so testified from
the witness stand, no reason exists why his prior inconsistent statement regarding defendant’s
discussion of those plans should not be admissible under the statute.
¶ 154 Simpson and similar cases apply only to circumstances in which the prior
inconsistent statement concerns crimes that have already been committed and would not have
barred admitting the prior inconsistent statements in this case contained in exhibits 155L and
155M.

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People v. Scott, 2026 IL App (4th) 241597
Decision Under Review: Appeal from the Circuit Court of Winnebago County, No. 20-
CF-1536; the Hon. Ronald J. White, Judge, presiding.
Attorneys
for
Appellant:
James E. Chadd, Douglas R. Hoff, and John Koltse, of State
Appellate Defender’s Office, of Chicago, for appellant.
Attorneys
for
Appellee:
J. Hanley, State’s Attorney, of Rockford (Patrick Delfino,
Thomas D. Arado, and Justin A. Nicolosi, of State’s Attorneys
Appellate Prosecutor’s Office, of counsel), for the People.

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