Peo v. Lopez

22CA0242 & 22CA0276 Peo v Lopez 07-31-2025

COLORADO COURT OF APPEALS

Court of Appeals Nos. 22CA0242 & 22CA0276
Arapahoe County District Court No. 09CR367
Honorable Ryan J. Stuart, Judge

The People of the State of Colorado,

Plaintiff-Appellee,

v.

Daniel Jesus Lopez,

Defendant-Appellant.

JUDGMENT AND ORDER AFFIRMED

Division I
Opinion by JUDGE J. JONES
Yun, J., concurs
Taubman*, J., specially concurs

NOT PUBLISHED PURSUANT TO C.A.R. 35(e)
Announced July 31, 2025

Philip J. Weiser, Attorney General, Carmen Moraleda, Senior Assistant
Attorney General, Denver, Colorado, for Plaintiff-Appellee

Megan A. Ring, Colorado State Public Defender, Jason C. Middleton, Deputy
State Public Defender, Denver, Colorado, for Defendant-Appellant

*Sitting by assignment of the Chief Justice under provisions of Colo. Const. art.
VI, § 5(3), and § 24-51-1105, C.R.S. 2024.
¶1 Defendant, Daniel Jesus Lopez, appeals the trial court’s

judgment of conviction entered on jury verdicts finding him guilty of

first degree murder after deliberation, first degree felony murder,

and first degree burglary. He separately appeals the postconviction

court’s order denying his Crim. P. 35(c) motion for a new trial. We

have consolidated the two appeals, see C.A.R. 3(c)(2), (3), and the

records are combined. We affirm the judgment of conviction and

the order.

I. Background

¶2 The victim was sexually assaulted and killed in her apartment.

An autopsy later showed that she died from three stab wounds to

her chest combined with several blows to her head. During the

investigation several days later, a detective found a knife that

someone had placed between cans in the victim’s pantry, which the

detective thought was an odd place to put a knife. He collected the

knife because he thought it might be the murder weapon.

Investigators also swabbed or took DNA samples from the victim’s

body, clothes, and apartment; collected condoms and condom

wrappers found near the victim and in a nearby alley; and searched

the apartment for fingerprints. DNA analysts found Lopez’s DNA on

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the victim’s body, clothes, and her toilet but not on the condoms or

condom wrappers. Investigators determined that Lopez’s handprint

matched one that they had found on an armoire in the victim’s

apartment.

¶3 The People ultimately charged Lopez with first degree murder

after deliberation, first degree felony murder, and first degree

burglary. A jury convicted him as charged. The trial court merged

the murder convictions and sentenced Lopez to life in prison

without the possibility of parole for first degree murder after

deliberation, to run consecutively to a thirty-two-year prison term

for his burglary conviction. A division of this court affirmed the

convictions on direct appeal. People v. Lopez, (Colo. App. No.

13CA1053, Aug. 6, 2015) (not published pursuant to C.A.R. 35(f)).

¶4 Lopez filed a Crim. P. 35(c) motion for postconviction relief.

The postconviction court forwarded the motion to the public

defender’s office, and the public defender filed a supplemental

motion on Lopez’s behalf. As relevant to these appeals, the

supplemental motion asserted that Lopez had been denied his right

to effective assistance of counsel because the attorneys who had

represented him at trial and on appeal labored under a conflict of

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interest — a conflict which arose when an investigator employed by

the attorneys’ law firm took possession of a knife from Lopez’s

residence and brought it back to the law firm’s office, where it

stayed for more than three years before the law firm turned it over

to the prosecution. At trial, the prosecution theorized that this

knife, too, could have been the murder weapon.

¶5 Following a three-day evidentiary hearing, the postconviction

court partially granted and partially denied the motion. On the

conflict claim, the postconviction court ruled that the attorneys had

only a potential conflict, not an actual conflict, of interest at trial (or

in plea negotiations) and that Lopez had validly waived that conflict

(even if it was an actual conflict). But as for the law firm’s

representation of Lopez on direct appeal, the court found that the

appellate attorney had an actual conflict that Lopez hadn’t waived.

Accordingly, although the court refused to set aside the judgment of

conviction or require reinstatement of the plea offer Lopez had

rejected, it granted Lopez a new direct appeal.

¶6 That appeal is before us as Case No. 22CA0276. Lopez also

appeals the postconviction court’s denial of his Rule 35(c) motion

insofar as the court ruled that he isn’t entitled to a new trial or

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reinstatement of the plea offer. That appeal is before us in Case No.

22CA0242. Both appeals share the same record. And we have

consolidated the appeals.

¶7 In both appeals, Lopez challenges the trial court’s and the

postconviction court’s conclusions that his trial attorneys didn’t

have an actual conflict of interest and that he validly waived his

trial attorneys’ conflict. And in the direct appeal, Lopez also

contends that some of the trial court’s comments to prospective

jurors during voir dire undermined his presumption of innocence

and improperly lowered the prosecution’s burden of proof.

II. Conflict of Interest

¶8 In both appeals, Lopez contends that his trial attorneys

created an actual conflict of interest by collecting and retaining the

knife obtained from Lopez’s residence; that the conflict wasn’t

waivable; and that even if it was waivable, the trial court and the

postconviction court erred by finding that he waived the conflict.

We conclude that Lopez waived the conflict.

A. Procedural Considerations

¶9 As a preliminary matter, in his reply brief in the direct appeal,

Lopez argues that we should review the conflict of interest

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contention raised in his second direct appeal using only the record

that was available at the time of his first direct appeal. That is, he

doesn’t want us to consider the record developed in the

postconviction proceedings concerning the conflict because, he

asserts, that is “[t]he only meaningful way to effectuate Mr. Lopez’s

right to a direct appeal with conflict-free counsel.” We will consider

the entire relevant record for the reasons we explain below.

¶ 10 Generally, a defendant can’t raise a claim of ineffective

assistance of counsel on direct appeal because such a claim

“requires the development of a factual record that will not have

been developed in the trial court.” A.R. v. D.R., 2020 CO 10, ¶ 62

(citing Ardolino v. People, 69 P.3d 73, 77 (Colo. 2003)). This is

because the trial record may not indicate whether counsel’s actions

were based on a “sound strategic motive” or “because his

alternatives were even worse.” Ardolino, 69 P.3d at 77. And

ineffective assistance of counsel claims may implicate issues which

can’t be resolved absent an evidentiary hearing — followed by

factual findings — with testimony by trial counsel, the defendant,

and perhaps others. See, e.g., People v. Blehm, 983 P.2d 779, 791-

92 (Colo. 1999) (challenges to the validity of a waiver of the right to

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testify can only be raised in a postconviction proceeding where an

adequate record can be developed). This is also true when the

ineffective assistance claim is premised on an alleged conflict of trial

counsel. See People v. Lopez, 2024 CO 50, ¶¶ 51-52 (remanding for

a hearing to develop an adequate factual record on an alleged

conflict of interest). And it is particularly true for claims involving

the defendant’s knowledge and the validity of any waiver, as

resolving such issues will almost invariably require evidence that

isn’t in the trial court record. See Blehm, 983 P.2d at 785; People v.

Thomas, 867 P.2d 880, 886 (Colo. 1994) (recognizing the

advantages of requiring ineffective assistance of counsel claims to

be brought, not on direct appeal, but in a Rule 35(c) motion).

¶ 11 This is such a case. Though, as discussed in more detail

below, the trial court held a hearing on the conflict of interest

question, neither Lopez’s attorneys nor Lopez himself testified at

that hearing. And the attorney appointed to investigate and advise

Lopez concerning the purported conflict — Jesse Glassman — gave

only a limited report; he didn’t testify under oath, wasn’t examined

by counsel, and didn’t say specifically what he had told Lopez.

Given that Lopez’s direct appeal challenges the trial court’s finding

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that he waived trial counsel’s conflict, were we to consider that

appeal in a vacuum, we would require Lopez to file a Rule 35(c)

motion for further development of the record. What we wouldn’t do

is decide the issues raised on direct appeal based on a plainly

insufficient record. Cf. People v. Austin, 2024 CO 36, ¶ 24

(concluding that the record was insufficient to determine whether

the prosecution’s strike of a potential juror was unconstitutional

under Batson and remanding to the trial court for further findings).

¶ 12 But requiring the filing of another Rule 35(c) motion for

further development of the record would be pointless in this case

because Lopez already filed such a motion, arguing against any

waiver of conflict, and the court conducted an evidentiary

proceeding on it. Because we have a fully developed record on the

conflict issue, we will consider the whole of that record.

¶ 13 Downey v. People, 25 P.3d 1200 (Colo. 2001), on which Lopez

relies, doesn’t require a contrary conclusion. In a footnote, the

court said, “Review of a claim of ineffective assistance of trial

counsel that is raised on direct appeal is limited to the existing

record, whereas a claim of ineffective assistance of trial counsel

raised in post-conviction proceedings may be supplemented by

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evidence supporting the claim.” Id. at 1202 n.3. But the court

didn’t hold that the merits of every claim of ineffective assistance of

trial counsel raised on direct appeal can or even should be resolved

on the existing record. Indeed, as the court held in Ardolino,

ineffective assistance claims will often require further development

of the record in a postconviction proceeding. 69 P.3d at 77-79. So

if, as in this case, the record created before and during the trial is

insufficient to resolve an ineffective assistance claim raised on

direct appeal, the appellate court will deny it, subject to the

defendant’s right to raise it in a postconviction motion. See People

in Interest of Uwayezuk, 2023 COA 69, ¶ 21 (“Generally in criminal

cases, a claim of ineffective assistance of counsel may not be raised

on direct appeal.”); cf. People v. Vondra, 240 P.3d 493, 495 (Colo.

App. 2010) (an additional postconviction proceeding wasn’t

necessary because the district court had already held a separate

hearing on the defendant’s ineffective assistance of counsel claim in

the context of a Crim. P. 32(d) motion); People v. Kelling, 151 P.3d

650, 655 (Colo. App. 2006) (recognizing the need to develop a

factual record for an ineffective assistance claim in postconviction

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proceedings because a direct appeal’s record is ordinarily

insufficient).

¶ 14 We turn then to the merits of Lopez’s conflict of interest claim.

B. Trial Court Proceedings

¶ 15 In 2009, after Lopez was arrested, he retained the law firm of

Springer and Steinberg, P.C. (the firm), to represent him. Attorney

Harvey Steinberg supervised the defense. Attorneys Daniel Deters,

Geanne Moroye, and Richard Toray (collectively, trial counsel)

worked on the case.

¶ 16 In October 2009, someone at the firm heard a recently

recorded jail call in which Lopez asked his girlfriend, Jennifer

Trujillo, whether the police had searched their house and told her

to “throw away” anything that made him “look bad,” such as “drug

paraphernalia” or “Jose’s knife.” Karl Scherck, the firm’s

investigator, went to Lopez’s house in October 2009, and Lopez’s

father gave him the knife. He locked the knife in the firm’s safe,

where it remained for over three years. (It appears that police

detectives, who also seemed to have (or had) heard about the

jailhouse call, asked Trujillo about this knife before Scherck came

to the house, and she told them she couldn’t find a knife. But the

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record is a bit unclear as to the timing of the detectives’ visit

vis-a-vis Scherck’s visit.)

¶ 17 In late 2010 or early 2011, an assistant district attorney

listened to the same call and contacted Steinberg, inquiring

whether the firm had “Jose’s knife” and, if so, demanding that the

firm turn it over to the district attorney’s office because the

prosecution believed the knife was incriminating. The firm didn’t

respond to that request. A month before trial, the district attorney’s

office contacted Steinberg again after learning from Trujillo that

Scherck had taken a knife from Lopez’s home in 2009. The firm

then turned the knife over to the prosecution.

¶ 18 Shortly before trial, Lopez’s trial attorneys, Deters and Toray,

raised a conflict of interest concern with the trial court because the

firm had collected and retained “Jose’s knife,” and the prosecution

intended to introduce that knife into evidence as a potential murder

weapon.1 Defense counsel was concerned that, given the chain of

custody of the knife, someone with the firm (apparently, Scherck,

1 The prosecution’s medical examiner witness didn’t know what

knife had caused the victim’s injuries, but he indicated that either
of the knives recovered by the police could have caused the injuries.

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but possibly also the attorneys) could be a witness. The prosecutor

confirmed that the prosecution intended to introduce the knife at

trial as a potential murder weapon, said tests on the knife didn’t

return DNA or fingerprint results, and said the knife appeared to

have been “wiped clean.” The court appointed Glassman as

independent, conflict-free counsel to investigate and research the

conflict and advise Lopez.

¶ 19 Glassman investigated and researched the issue and advised

Lopez before the court’s hearing on the conflict. At the hearing,

Glassman told the court that either Trujillo had asked someone at

the firm to get the knife or an attorney at the firm named “Adam

Tuck” had told Scherck to retrieve the knife after listening to the

jailhouse call.2 Glassman also testified that if the firm had

knowingly withheld inculpatory evidence of Lopez’s crime, the firm’s

2 Glassman said at the conflict hearing and testified in the

postconviction hearing that Steinberg told him someone named
“Adam Tuck” directed Scherck to obtain and conceal the knife. But
in the postconviction hearing, Steinberg acknowledged that “Adam
Tuck” was likely Adam Tucker, an attorney who had left the firm
before Lopez retained it. Tucker testified in the postconviction
hearing that he had left the firm in February 2009 and never
worked on Lopez’s case because the firm didn’t begin representing
Lopez until March 2009.

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attorneys could be criminally liable for tampering with evidence and

as accessories to a crime. He said that they might also have

violated the Colorado Rules of Professional Conduct as construed in

the Colorado Bar Association Ethics Committee’s Formal Opinion

60. But he also said that he had spoken to the attorneys, who said

they didn’t know the knife was in the firm’s possession until very

recently and had turned it over to the prosecution as soon as they

found out. Glassman opined that a potential conflict would exist if

the prosecution were to assert or imply that the firm had tried to

conceal the knife or had tampered with it, such as by wiping it.

Glassman testified that, although the prosecutors had told him they

didn’t intend to assert or imply any concealment or tampering by

the firm, the jury could still draw that inference from the chain of

custody evidence. The prosecutors told Glassman that they did not

plan to file criminal charges or ethical misconduct complaints

against anyone at the firm.

¶ 20 The prosecution and Lopez’s attorneys stipulated to the

admission of “Jose’s knife” and the chain of custody associated with

it, which they hoped would avoid any inference that the firm had

retained the knife and obviate the need for anyone associated with

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the firm to testify about the chain of custody. That stipulation told

the jury only that the firm’s investigator had obtained the knife and

that the firm subsequently turned it over to the prosecution in the

same condition as when the firm obtained it. The court agreed that

the stipulation resolved the potential conflict of interest.

¶ 21 The court asked Lopez, who was present at the hearing,

whether he had heard and understood the conversation. Lopez

responded, “Yeah. Kind of, yes,” “[a] little bit, yes.” When the court

asked him to clarify what he meant, Lopez replied, “I don’t really

understand all the terminology.” After confirming that Lopez had

heard everything, the court explained the conflict of interest —

“[T]his issue [is] about the knife, whether that would cause [your

attorneys] to give you less than 100 percent because they would be

worried about their impact in this case” — and asked whether he

understood. Lopez replied that he did. The court also explained

the stipulation to Lopez — specifically, that the jury would be told

about the sequence of events but not about the timing, the call from

the district attorney, or the ethical issues and that the jury would

be told that “the knife was in the same condition when given to the

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CBI as it was when Jennifer Trujillo gave it to [Scherck].” Lopez

said he understood.

¶ 22 The court then asked Lopez whether, after talking to

Glassman and Toray, he would be willing to “give up that

objection.” Lopez said, “Yes.” The court asked Lopez whether he

had any questions. He said he didn’t. The court then advised

Lopez that if any trial testimony undermined the stipulation, the

court would declare a mistrial. Lopez reiterated that he wanted to

keep his current counsel.

¶ 23 The court concluded that there wasn’t a conflict and that, to

the extent there was a potential conflict, Lopez had waived it. The

firm’s attorneys — Toray and Deters — continued to represent

Lopez throughout the trial. (A different attorney with the firm,

Michael Zwiebel, represented Lopez on direct appeal.)

¶ 24 At trial, Trujillo testified that she had never actually seen

“Jose’s knife” and that a detective had asked about it, but the

“attorneys ha[d] already came [sic] and picked [Jose’s knife] up.”

Lopez’s counsel objected to that testimony because it violated the

stipulation by indicating that defense counsel had been involved in

collecting and retaining the knife. Counsel moved for a mistrial.

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The court denied the motion saying, “She said she gave it to an

attorney.” The prosecutor then asked that the knife be admitted

and the stipulation read to the jury. Without objection, the court

instructed the jury as follows:

Ladies and gentlemen, the parties have
reached a stipulation that I’m going to read to
you. The stipulation is factual, and you must
accept it as being true without the need for
any further testimony about it, because the
parties have agreed to this factual statement I
am about to make.

The parties stipulate that the knife, Exhibit 28,
and the sheath, Exhibit 30, were provided to
the defense investigator on October 26, 2009.
The knife was subsequently provided to law
enforcement. The parties stipulate that the
knife and sheath are in the same condition
today as they were on October 26, 2009. The
parties further stipulate that the knife was
sent to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation
for testing and analysis.

¶ 25 Trujillo then testified that the defense’s investigator retrieved

“Jose’s knife” and, again, that she’d never actually seen it. But

Trujillo said that she was able to describe it to investigators

because she “had a glance at it.” The prosecutor asked whether she

had ever touched the knife or wiped it down. She said she hadn’t.

Then, Trujillo testified that the knife admitted in evidence wasn’t

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the knife that the investigator had taken from the basement

because “[t]he other one was smaller and looked nothing like that.”

¶ 26 Lopez’s counsel renewed the motion for a mistrial, arguing

that Lopez couldn’t get a fair trial at that point because Trujillo’s

testimony implicated Lopez’s attorneys in obtaining “Jose’s knife.”

The court denied the motion.

¶ 27 As noted, the jury found Lopez guilty as charged, and a

division of this court affirmed the judgment of conviction.

C. Postconviction Proceedings

¶ 28 At the evidentiary hearing on Lopez’s Rule 35(c) motion,

Steinberg testified that he had met with Lopez (though he couldn’t

recall how many times), had reviewed the discovery materials, and

“did whatever [he] thought was necessary to provide a defense.”3 He

said that Lopez had told him he killed the victim using a kitchen

knife taken from the victim’s home (which Steinberg believed to be

the knife the police had recovered) and then had sexual intercourse

with the victim’s body. Steinberg said that he learned at some point

3 Toray didn’t testify because he died in 2014, and Scherck didn’t

testify because, as an investigator indicated, no one was able to
serve him with a subpoena.

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that someone had put “Jose’s knife” in his firm’s safe, but — based

on Lopez’s admission — he didn’t have any reason to believe that

“Jose’s knife” was the murder weapon. He also testified that the

only person with access to the safe was the firm’s office manager.

He said he felt “zero” ethical conflict by representing Lopez. But he

conceded that the knife should never have been obtained by anyone

associated with the firm.

¶ 29 Deters testified that he didn’t recall how “Jose’s knife” had

come into the firm’s possession but believed that Scherck had

worked on the case. Deters said one concern he had regarding the

knife was that one or more attorneys with the firm might have to

testify about the knife’s chain of custody without a stipulation to

the knife’s admission. But he also said that he didn’t sense or feel

a conflict “so pointed and so identifiable and direct” that it required

the firm to withdraw from representing Lopez.

¶ 30 Glassman testified that after the court appointed him to advise

it and Lopez as to any possible conflict,4 he researched and

analyzed the legal issues and spoke with Steinberg, Deters, Toray,

4 Glassman made clear that he represented Lopez, and so his duties

as an attorney were to Lopez.

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the prosecutors, and Lopez. He was unable to reach Adam Tucker

and didn’t talk to Scherck. He believed that, after discussing the

matter with prosecutors, only a potential, not actual, conflict

existed. Glassman thought there had been an assertion that the

knife had been “wiped” and that it could be inferred that it had

been wiped by someone at the firm given the length of time the

knife had been in the firm’s possession.5 He understood the

purpose of the stipulation was to avoid eliciting facts that could

create that inference. And one of the prosecutors had said the

district attorney’s office wasn’t intending to prosecute charges or file

ethics complaints against any of the firm’s attorneys or Scherck.

¶ 31 In discussing the matter with Lopez, Glassman told him the

following:

• Even with the stipulation, a potential conflict existed. This

was so because if Lopez had obtained different counsel, that

attorney could try to “place the blame for the collection of

the knife, and the fact that it was withheld from the

[p]rosecution on his former counsel.”

5 Glassman also recognized a potential inference that Lopez’s

girlfriend had wiped the knife.

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• If new counsel did so, that might take the blame off Lopez,

given that he was in custody when Scherck retrieved the

knife, and shift the blame to the firm, his girlfriend, or his

mother.

• If Lopez wanted new counsel, he qualified for a public

defender.

• Blaming the chain of custody problem on Scherck was an

option if he obtained new counsel. They also discussed

whether doing so would benefit Lopez.

¶ 32 Despite being so advised, Lopez told Glassman that he didn’t

want a new attorney, even after Glassman had discussed with him

“all the reasonable scenarios in terms of how it could play up to his

benefit if he got a different attorney.” And Glassman opined that

Lopez’s decision appeared to be knowing and voluntary.

¶ 33 The postconviction court expressly found Steinberg’s

testimony “far more credible” than Lopez’s and found Glassman’s

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testimony credible. The court expressly found Lopez’s testimony at

the hearing self-serving and not credible.6

¶ 34 The postconviction court rejected Lopez’s conflict-based

ineffective assistance of counsel claim — insofar as the trial court

proceedings were concerned — because he had validly waived his

right to conflict-free counsel after being sufficiently advised by both

Glassman and the court.7

D. Standards of Review and Applicable Law

¶ 35 Whether an attorney had a conflict of interest is a question of

law that we review de novo. Lopez, ¶ 29 (citing Ronquillo v. People,

2017 CO 99, ¶ 13). In doing so, we defer to the postconviction

court’s findings of historical fact unless they are clearly erroneous.

People v. Hagos, 250 P.3d 596, 613 (Colo. App. 2009).

6 The postconviction court also heard testimony from Lopez’s

mother and father, Trujillo, Tucker, Savanna Rice (the investigator
who tried to serve Scherck with a subpoena), Warren Miller (lead
detective investigating the victim’s death), John Hower (former
deputy district attorney), Jason Siers (chief deputy district
attorney), and Ann Roan (an expert witness in criminal defense and
legal ethics).
7 The court found that there was no actual conflict (only a potential

conflict), but even if there was an actual conflict, Lopez had waived
it.

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¶ 36 “In all criminal prosecutions the accused shall enjoy the

right . . . to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defen[s]e.” U.S.

Const. amend. VI; see also Colo. Const. art. II, § 16. This protection

includes the right to conflict-free counsel. West v. People, 2015 CO

5, ¶ 15 (first citing Mickens v. Taylor, 535 U.S. 162, 166 (2002);

then Wood v. Georgia, 450 U.S. 261, 271 (1981); and then People v.

Martinez, 869 P.2d 519, 524 (Colo. 1994)).

¶ 37 A conflict exists when either “(1) an attorney’s representation

of one client is directly adverse to another client,” or “(2) when the

attorney’s ability to represent a client is materially limited by the

attorney’s responsibility to another client or to a third person, or by

the attorney’s own interests.” People v. Edebohls, 944 P.2d 552,

556 (Colo. App. 1996) (citing Colo. RPC 1.7(a)-(b)), overruled on

other grounds by Lopez, 2024 CO 50, ¶ 3. A conflict can be either

potential, meaning it is possible or nascent and in all probability

will arise, People v. Harlan, 54 P.3d 871, 878 (Colo. 2002), or

actual, meaning it “adversely affects counsel’s performance,”

Mickens, 535 U.S. at 172 n.5; accord West, ¶ 28.

¶ 38 But “a defendant can waive the right to conflict-free counsel so

long as the waiver is voluntary, knowing, and intelligent.” Dunlap v.

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People, 173 P.3d 1054, 1070 (Colo. 2007). For a defendant to waive

conflict-free representation, “the lawyer must reasonably believe

that he will be able to provide competent and diligent

representation,” and the defendant must be fully advised of all

existing conflicts and give informed consent. People v. Nozolino,

2013 CO 19, ¶ 16 (citing Colo. RPC 1.7). A defendant’s waiver is

voluntary, knowing, and intelligent when (1) “the defendant was

aware of the conflict and its likely effect on the defense attorney’s

ability to offer effective representation, and (2) . . . the defendant

thereafter voluntarily, knowingly, and intelligently relinquished his

right to conflict-free representation.” Martinez, 869 P.2d at 525.

¶ 39 That said, some conflicts may not be waived; a court may

compel disqualification and override a waiver after examining the

following factors: “(1) the defendant’s preference for particular

counsel; (2) the public’s interest in maintaining the integrity of the

judicial process; and (3) the nature of the particular conflict.”

Nozolino, ¶ 16.

¶ 40 We review de novo whether a defendant voluntarily, knowingly,

and intelligently waived his right to conflict-free representation.

United States v. Brown, 202 F.3d 691, 697 (4th Cir. 2000); United

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States v. Brekke, 152 F.3d 1042, 1045 (8th Cir. 1998); see also

People v. Lavadie, 2021 CO 42, ¶ 22 (reviewing de novo whether a

defendant waived his right to counsel). And we will assume that we

also review de novo the question whether the conflict was waivable.

But we defer to the postconviction court’s findings of fact relevant to

these issues. Brekke, 152 F.3d at 1045 (“We review for clear error a

district court’s factual findings that underlie a determination of

whether a defendant waived his right to conflict-free counsel . . . .”);

see Lavadie, ¶ 22 (in assessing whether a defendant validly waived

his right to counsel, we accept the court’s findings of historical facts

if they are supported by competent evidence). And we won’t

second-guess the postconviction court’s credibility determinations.

See People v. Tresco, 2019 COA 61, ¶ 16.

E. Analysis

¶ 41 Lopez asserts that, contrary to the trial court’s and the

postconviction court’s conclusions, the firm’s attorneys labored

under an actual conflict of interest during plea negotiations and at

trial because the firm “generated incriminating physical evidence —

a potential murder weapon — against [its] own client for use by the

prosecution.” But his argument that an actual conflict existed

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instead focuses on the firm’s alleged incentive to “curry favor with

the prosecution at the potential expense of [its] client.” This

incentive arose, he says, because the theory that “Jose’s knife” had

been wiped clean (or “mishandled”) by someone at the firm was one

that (1) wouldn’t incriminate Lopez but (2) couldn’t be argued by the

firm’s attorneys at trial because doing so would expose them or

others with the firm to potential criminal and disciplinary

consequences.

¶ 42 Lopez goes on to contend that this conflict wasn’t waivable,

and even if it were, he didn’t knowingly and intelligently waive it

because he wasn’t sufficiently advised of the nature of the conflict.

As for the conflict’s possible effect on plea negotiations, Lopez

argues that no one discussed this matter with him. As for

representation at trial, Lopez argues that Glassman wasn’t aware of

certain facts relating to the firm’s retention of the knife and,

accordingly, never told him those facts or fully explained how

Scherck’s actions in obtaining and retaining the knife gave the

prosecution “the ability to insinuate that Lopez, his girlfriend, or a

family member had wiped off the knife in an effort to destroy

inculpatory evidence.”

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¶ 43 We conclude that the record supports the postconviction

court’s conclusions that the firm’s attorneys didn’t provide

ineffective assistance in connection with plea negotiations and that

Lopez didn’t suffer any prejudice by virtue of any possible ineffective

assistance because he was never willing to accept the plea offer

(described below) that he says his attorneys prematurely rejected.

It follows that Lopez can’t show any adverse effect from the

purported conflict.

¶ 44 As for the firm’s attorneys’ representation of Lopez at trial, we

conclude that Lopez did and could waive any conflict.

1. Plea Negotiations

¶ 45 The firm’s attorneys tried to negotiate a plea agreement that

would call for a prison sentence of no more than forty-eight years,

based on Lopez telling the attorneys that forty-eight years was the

most prison time he would accept. The prosecution, however,

offered sixty years. One of the firm’s attorneys — most likely

Steinberg — rejected that offer. It is unclear whether that offer was

rejected before or after it was communicated to Lopez. (Lopez

contends it was before.) But the postconviction court found, based

on its credibility determinations, that the offer was conveyed to

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Lopez and he rejected it, even though the attorneys recommended

that he take it. (Lopez doesn’t appear to dispute this.)

¶ 46 Lopez argues, however, that the supposed conflict of interest

affected the firm’s incentives in the negotiations. He appears to say

that, because he believed the offer was contingent on the firm

“cleaning up” the conflict issue (which it didn’t want to do since it

wasn’t in the firm’s best interests), the firm had an incentive to

reject the offer. But the postconviction court found, with record

support, that the firm conveyed the offer to Lopez and

recommended that he accept it but that Lopez refused to accept it

because he insisted on going to trial. Therefore, the premise of

Lopez’s argument — that the firm had an incentive to reject the

offer without first conferring with him — is neither here nor there.

The firm’s premature rejection of the offer would matter only if the

firm never informed him of it, and he would have been willing to

accept it. The postconviction court’s factual findings, which enjoy

record support, foreclose any such conclusions.

¶ 47 In sum, Lopez didn’t show any adverse effect in plea

negotiations arising out of the purported conflict. Thus, his

contention that the firm’s asserted conflict in the context of those

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negotiations requires reversal necessarily fails. See Lopez, ¶ 45

(Absent circumstances not alleged in this case, a defendant must

show “a conflict of interest actually affected the adequacy of his

representation.”); West, ¶¶ 18, 57.

2. Representation at Trial

¶ 48 We conclude that Lopez waived his right to conflict-free trial

counsel.

¶ 49 As discussed, before Lopez waived the conflict, he met with

Glassman, his court-appointed, independent, and conflict-free

attorney, who had researched the conflict and relevant law and had

spoken with attorneys on both sides of the case and others. He

advised Lopez of the risks involved with continuing with the firm’s

attorneys as his trial counsel. He specifically advised Lopez that

the conflict meant the firm’s attorneys couldn’t (or wouldn’t) argue

the possibility that someone at the firm had wiped or mishandled

“Jose’s knife.” That is the same information Lopez claims on appeal

that he didn’t have. But the postconviction court found Glassman

credible on this point.

¶ 50 The trial court advised Lopez on the record about his right to

“100 percent” conflict-free counsel and about the effect the

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stipulation might have on the jury. After Lopez said he didn’t

understand some of the terminology, the trial court ensured that he

understood the concept of a conflict of interest by defining it and

explaining that he had a right to conflict-free counsel. Lopez then

said he wished to waive the conflict.

¶ 51 As noted, the court also told Lopez that if testimony

implicating the timeline of the possession of the knife was elicited at

trial in a way that prejudiced him, the court would declare a

mistrial “that would undo the whole thing and we would have to

start over.” Lopez said he understood.

¶ 52 Based on these facts, we conclude that Lopez was adequately

advised of the nature of the conflict and that he voluntarily,

knowingly, and intelligently waived any conflict arising from the

firm’s collection and retention of the knife.8

¶ 53 Finally, we also reject Lopez’s contention that he couldn’t

waive the conflict. Lopez’s desire that the firm remain as his trial

counsel was strong and clear. He considered the firm to be the best

available, saying, “If anybody can do it, it’s Harvey [Steinberg].” He

8 Lopez doesn’t appear to contest the voluntariness of his waiver.

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even told his girlfriend that his mother “need[ed] to talk to

Steinberg” because he was the “best attorney”; “he gets everybody

off for the death penalty; he gets everybody off for life.” He

reiterated his strong desire to keep his same lawyers during his

discussions with Glassman and the court.

¶ 54 We don’t perceive how the public’s interest in the integrity of

the judicial process is diminished in this case because Lopez was

adequately advised of the nature of the conflict and then waived his

right to conflict-free counsel; the prosecution didn’t intend to file

charges or ethics complaints against Lopez’s attorneys or the firm’s

investigator; and the stipulation prevented the jury from learning

the extent of the firm’s handling of the knife.

¶ 55 Finally, the nature of the conflict was only potential when

combined with the stipulation, so the extreme remedy of

disqualifying counsel in the face of Lopez’s waiver wouldn’t have

been appropriate. See Nozolino, ¶ 24.

III. Burden of Proof Analogy

¶ 56 Lopez contends on direct appeal that the trial court

impermissibly lowered the prosecution’s burden of proof by

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analogizing the beyond a reasonable doubt standard to baking a

cake. We disagree.

A. Additional Facts

¶ 57 At a pretrial hearing with Lopez present, the trial court told

both sides that it usually used an analogy of baking a cake to

illustrate the presumption of innocence, the reasonable doubt

standard, and the burden of proof elements. Lopez’s counsel didn’t

object to the court’s use of the analogy at the hearing.

¶ 58 During voir dire, the trial court used the cake-baking analogy

to explain legal principles in everyday terms. The court

acknowledged that baking a cake didn’t have the same gravity as

considering Lopez’s guilt, and it cautioned the prospective jurors,

“[P]lease do not think that I am in any way minimizing the

allegations in this case by equating the elements of the offense to

the ingredients in baking a cake.”

¶ 59 The court explained that “the burden of proof is upon the

prosecution to prove to the satisfaction of the jury, beyond a

reasonable doubt, the existence of all the elements necessary to

constitute the crime charged. . . . The defense doesn’t have to bring

any ingredients. The defense doesn’t have to help.” It compared

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the elements of the offense to ingredients of the cake: “[E]lements

are what would have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. . . .

You may still have questions at the end of this case. . . . You may

eat a piece [of cake] and say, ‘I wonder if this is Betty Crocker or

Duncan Hines?’ Doesn’t matter as long as it’s a cake.” It explained

that the prosecution would “have to prove those things that make

up the charge, just like they’d have to prove beyond a reasonable

doubt that they have an egg or whatever.”

¶ 60 Before explaining reasonable doubt by analogy, the court read

the term’s definition from the model instructions then in effect:

Reasonable doubt means a doubt based upon
reason and common sense [that] arises from a
fair and rational consideration of all of the
evidence, or lack of evidence, in the case. It is
a doubt [that] is not vague, speculative or
imaginary doubt, but such doubt as would
cause reasonable people to hesitate to act in
matters of importance to themselves.

COLJI-Crim. E:03 (2008).

¶ 61 The court again cautioned the prospective jurors, “I don’t want

you to think in any way I’m quantifying what reasonable doubt is.

I’m not trying to say it’s 80% or 90% or 10%.” It then explained,

Using my cake recipe, when it calls for a cup of
water, how many of you go down and get the

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chemistry set and get it right to there? And
you’ve got to the micro millimeter of what a
cup is? What do we do? We take the cup,
eyeball it, make sure that a little thing is
toward the top of the little line and we kind of
eyeball it. What we’re doing is we’re proving to
our self beyond a reasonable doubt that I’ve
got the right amount of water. You’re not
exact. It’s not proof beyond all doubt.

Finally, it reiterated its caution, “I’m not trying to quantify in any

way reasonable doubt; I’m just saying that is the thought process.”

¶ 62 Defense counsel didn’t object to these remarks.

B. Standard of Review and Applicable Law

¶ 63 “We review de novo the question of whether a trial court

accurately instructed the jury on the law. Instructions that lower

the prosecution’s burden of proof below the reasonable doubt

standard constitute structural error and require automatic

reversal.” Tibbels v. People, 2022 CO 1, ¶ 22 (citation omitted).

¶ 64 We use a functional test to determine whether a trial court’s

statements to the jury lowered the prosecution’s burden of proof; we

assess “whether there is a reasonable likelihood that the jury

understood the court’s statements, in the context of the

instructions as a whole and the trial record, to allow a conviction

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based on a standard lower than beyond a reasonable doubt.” Id. at

¶ 43; see also Pettigrew v. People, 2022 CO 2, ¶ 36.

¶ 65 Both parties agree that this issue wasn’t preserved, so we

review for plain error. See People v. Rediger, 2018 CO 32, ¶ 40.

Plain error is error that is obvious and substantial. An error is

substantial if it so undermined the fundamental fairness of the trial

as to cast serious doubt on the reliability of the judgment of

conviction. Hagos v. People, 2012 CO 63, ¶ 14.

C. Analysis

¶ 66 In Tibbels, the trial court likened reasonable doubt to the

concern that a prospective homebuyer might have upon observing a

structurally significant, floor-to-ceiling crack in the foundation of a

home the homebuyer desperately wanted to buy. Tibbels, ¶¶ 10-13.

The supreme court concluded that the analogy effectively lowered

the prosecution’s burden of proof and undermined Tibbels’

constitutional right to the presumption of innocence. Id. at ¶ 49.

The trial court ensured that the jury would give the analogy undue

weight, particularly because

(1) the court gave the example immediately
after undermining the pattern instruction on
reasonable doubt; (2) the court came back to

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its illustration later in voir dire, expressly
equating reasonable doubt with “that example
that I gave you”; and (3) . . . the court never
instructed the jury to disregard its example.

Id. at ¶ 50. Additionally, the crack-in-the-foundation analogy

overstated the degree of doubt and uncertainty required for

acquittal by suggesting that “a reasonable doubt was one that was

so obvious that it would give every reasonable person pause and

cause them to hesitate to act.” Id. at ¶ 51.

¶ 67 In Pettigrew, a companion case to Tibbels, the trial court used

a birth date analogy to explain reasonable doubt. Pettigrew, ¶¶ 14-

17. The trial court (1) clarified the distinction between a not guilty

verdict and innocence; (2) criticized the pattern definition of

reasonable doubt; (3) provided its own example to illustrate the

concept of reasonable doubt by way of a dialogue with a prospective

juror regarding the reliability of the juror’s birth date; and (4) in

response to a prospective juror’s question about why certain

charges hadn’t been brought against the defendant, commented,

“[W]e try people when there’s evidence to support the charges,

okay?” Id. The supreme court concluded that the trial court’s

statements undermined the pattern instruction, made it more likely

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that the jury would rely on the “confusing at best” birth date

analogy, and “raised the prospect” that jurors might believe that

Pettigrew had an obligation to create reasonable doubt. Id. at ¶ 41.

But despite these concerns, the supreme court didn’t reverse:

[W]e perceive no risk that the prospective
jurors would have interpreted the court’s
statement as placing any burden on Pettigrew.
This is particularly true here, given that (1) in
its comments regarding the distinction
between “innocent” and “not guilty,” the court
had made clear that the prosecution had the
burden of convincing the jurors beyond a
reasonable doubt of Pettigrew’s guilt; (2) after
the jury was empaneled, the court thoroughly
explained the reasonable doubt standard and
the presumption of innocence in correct and
clear terms; and (3) in its final instructions,
the court correctly advised the jury on the
concepts of the prosecution’s burden of proof,
the presumption of innocence, and reasonable
doubt. And given the clarity and succinctness
of the court’s repeated statements that the
prosecution bore the burden of proving
Pettigrew’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, in
contrast to its confusing birthday example, we
cannot conclude that there is a reasonable
likelihood that the jury understood the court’s
statements to have lowered the prosecution’s
burden of proof.

Id. at ¶ 42. And the supreme court noted that the trial court

mitigated the potential impact of its fourth statement — that “we try

people when there’s evidence to support the charges” — by

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reaffirming Pettigrew’s presumed innocence. Id. at ¶¶ 43, 45. The

supreme court concluded that, despite problematic comments

during voir dire, there wasn’t a reasonable likelihood that the

statements lowered the prosecution’s burden of proof below the

reasonable doubt standard. Id. at ¶ 2.

¶ 68 Viewing the trial court’s comments in the context of the record

as a whole, and considering the nature, scope, and timing of the

analogy, we conclude that the court didn’t err by analogizing the

prosecution’s burden of proof and reasonable doubt to baking a

cake. The court prefaced its analogy by indicating that it wasn’t

“minimizing the allegations in this case by equating the elements of

the offense to the ingredients of baking a cake.” It explained the

cake analogy as a way to understand the various standards, but it

also read the prospective jurors the correct definition of reasonable

doubt. The court cautioned that it wasn’t trying to quantify what

reasonable doubt should be. The court was unequivocal in its

explanation that Lopez and his counsel had no burden and

accurately described the prosecution’s burden to prove every

element of the offense.

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¶ 69 And the court didn’t reduce the prosecution’s burden by

comparing it to “eyeballing” the cake ingredients. We aren’t

persuaded to reach a contrary conclusion by the cases Lopez cites

to support this argument. In United States v. Cox, 536 F.3d 723,

729 (7th Cir. 2008) (citation omitted); United States v. Johnson, 185

F.3d 765, 768 (7th Cir. 1999) (citation omitted); and United States v.

Duarte, 950 F.2d 1255, 1265-66 (7th Cir. 1991), the courts held

that determining drug quantity or value for sentencing purposes

can’t be based on “nebulous eyeballing.” We don’t see how those

cases apply to this one.

IV. Disposition

¶ 70 The judgment of conviction and the postconviction court’s

Crim. P. 35(c) order (to the extent it denied Lopez’s demand for a

new trial) are affirmed.

JUDGE YUN concurs.

JUDGE TAUBMAN specially concurs.

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JUDGE TAUBMAN, specially concurring.

¶ 71 I agree with the majority that defendant, Daniel Jesus Lopez,

waived his right to assert a conflict of interest concerning his

continued representation by several attorneys at the law firm of

Springer and Steinberg. However, I write separately because I

believe Lopez’s continued representation by those lawyers raises

three significant possible violations of Colorado’s ethical rules.

¶ 72 First, the retrieval of “Jose’s knife” by the law firm’s

investigator and storage of it for more than three years in the law

firm’s safe raises serious concerns because the prosecution

considered it to be a possible murder weapon. Second, the

obligation of attorneys to supervise their employees raises questions

regarding the adequacy of the lawyers’ supervision of the

investigator. Third, the stipulation between Lopez’s attorneys and

the prosecutors did not eliminate the actual or potential conflict of

interest between Lopez and the law firm.

¶ 73 Although the majority opinion does not address these ethical

issues, I believe it is appropriate to highlight them because they are

central to Lopez’s arguments concerning the ineffectiveness of his

trial counsel.

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I. Background

¶ 74 While the majority opinion details the circumstances

concerning Lopez’s convictions for first degree murder after

deliberation, first degree felony murder, and first degree burglary, I

summarize here the relevant facts regarding the above ethical

issues.

¶ 75 The record of the consolidated cases shows that six attorneys

from Springer and Steinberg were involved or may have been

involved in representing Lopez. One was Harvey Steinberg, the

firm’s managing principal. Lopez’s trial attorneys were Richard

Toray, who died in 2014, and Daniel Deters. A fourth attorney,

Adam Tucker, testified at the Crim. P. 35(c) postconviction hearing

that he had left the law firm before it began representing Lopez, and

Steinberg confirmed this in his testimony at the postconviction

hearing. Nevertheless, the trial court referred to “Adam Tuck,”

apparently the same lawyer, as the one who directed the

investigator to obtain Jose’s knife.

¶ 76 Another lawyer, Geanne Moray, appears to have had little to

no involvement in the conduct that raises ethical issues. However,

Michael Zweibel, who represented Lopez on appeal, was involved in

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the postconviction court’s conclusion that Springer and Steinberg

had an actual conflict of interest in Lopez’s direct appeal.

¶ 77 In addition, the firm’s investigator, Karl Scherck, obtained

Jose’s knife from Lopez’s girlfriend, Jennifer Trujillo, or from Lopez’s

stepfather. Also, attorney Jesse Glassman was appointed by the

trial court to investigate whether the firm had an actual or potential

conflict of interest based on Scherck retrieving Jose’s knife from

Trujillo or Lopez’s stepfather. At a pretrial hearing, Glassman

testified that the law firm’s attorneys did not have an actual conflict

but had, at most, a potential conflict of interest.

¶ 78 At the conclusion of the hearing, during which both Steinberg

and Glassman testified, the trial court agreed with Glassman and

credited Steinberg’s testimony that he was not aware that the knife

had been kept in his firm’s safe for over three years. The trial court

also concluded that any possible conflict had been satisfactorily

addressed by the parties’ stipulation that defense counsel had

obtained Jose’s knife, that it remained in the same condition as

when they received it, and that defense counsel had turned the

knife over to the prosecution.

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¶ 79 That stipulation was intended to eliminate any possible

concern that anyone at the law firm had wiped the knife clean to

remove any possible inculpatory evidence and to resolve any chain

of custody issues.

¶ 80 The trial court also concluded, as noted in the majority

opinion, that Lopez voluntarily, knowingly, and intelligently waived

any possible conflict of interest and desired to have the law firm’s

attorneys continue to represent him.

II. Lawyer’s Duty to Turn Over Potentially Incriminating Evidence

A. Applicable Ethics Rules

¶ 81 Rule 3.4(a) of the Colorado Rules of Professional Conduct

provides that a lawyer shall not “unlawfully obstruct another party’s

access to evidence or unlawfully . . . conceal a document or other

material having potential evidentiary value.”

¶ 82 Comment 2 of that rule states, in relevant part:

Documents and other items of evidence are
often essential to establish a claim or defense.
Subject to evidentiary privileges, the right of an
opposing party, including the government, to
obtain evidence through discovery or subpoena
is an important procedural right. The exercise
of that right can be frustrated if relevant
material is . . . concealed . . . .

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Colo. RPC 3.4(a) cmt. a.

¶ 83 Formal Opinion 60 of the Colorado Bar Association’s Ethics

Committee, entitled “Duty With Respect to Client’s Incriminating

Evidence,”1 addresses this issue, stating that lawyers have “an

affirmative duty to surrender incriminating physical evidence in

their possession.” Colo. Bar Ass’n Ethics Comm., Formal Op. 60, at

1 (2025). It states that defense lawyers “and their agents cannot

suppress or conceal incriminating physical evidence in the lawyer’s

possession.” Id.

¶ 84 Two of the hypothetical situations addressed in Formal

Opinion 60 are relevant here.

1 The original Opinion 60 was adopted on July 24, 1982, when the

Code of Professional Responsibility was in effect. See Continuing
Legal Educ. in Colo., Inc., Colorado Ethics Handbook (6th ed. Supp.
2018). Both Glassman and Ann Roan, Lopez’s criminal ethics
expert at the Crim. P. 35(c) hearing, testified based on their review
of the original rule, even though the Rules of Professional Conduct
replaced the Code on January 1, 1993. The revised Opinion 60
states that the committee believed that the conclusions in the
original opinion were correct but revised the opinion “to provide
guidance as to the relevant provisions of the Rules of Professional
Conduct.” Colo. Bar Ass’n Ethics Comm., Formal Op. 60, at 2
(2025). I cite to the revised opinion here for ease of reference. I
note that the two hypotheticals I cite are found in both the original
and the revised opinion.

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¶ 85 The first hypothetical concerns a client charged with murder

who shows the lawyer the gun used in the crime and asks the

lawyer to take possession of it. Id. at 9. It concludes that “[i]f the

lawyer takes possession of the gun, Rule 3.4(a) requires the lawyer

to turn the gun over to the police or prosecuting authority because

retaining the gun would violate applicable law.” Formal Op. 60, at

9; see §§ 18-8-610, 18-8-105(2), C.R.S. 2024.

¶ 86 The second hypothetical is most analogous to the

circumstances here. Under this fact pattern, the spouse of a client

charged with murder brings a gun to the lawyer’s office and tells the

lawyer that the defendant told the spouse to ask the lawyer to hold

the gun for the client. Formal Op. 60, at 9-10. Relying on Rule

3.4(a), the revised opinion reiterates that a lawyer may not conceal

material evidence having evidentiary value. Id. at 10. It adds, “The

lawyer must take steps to ensure the gun is turned over to the

police or prosecution.” Id. Also, revised Opinion 60 states that the

lawyer may be compelled to testify about the source of the gun,

assuming the lawyer has no attorney-client relationship with the

spouse. Id. Finally, the opinion states that the lawyer must advise

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the defendant that the lawyer may not conceal material evidence

and the gun must be turned over. Id.

B. Analysis

¶ 87 At the pretrial hearing, Glassman testified that he had spoken

with Steinberg, Toray, and Peters, all of whom denied knowing that

Jose’s knife had been kept in the law firm’s safe from October 2009

until January 2013. These three attorneys testified that Jose’s

knife was turned over to the prosecution as soon as they learned

that it had been stored in the firm’s safe.

¶ 88 Glassman was unable to interview Scherck, who successfully

sought to avoid service of a subpoena on him and vowed that he

would not provide information. Glassman also did not interview

Tucker, whom he referred to as “Tuck,” but said he had been told

that “Tuck” had directed Scherck to obtain Jose’s knife. The trial

court credited this testimony and found that Tucker had directed

Scherck to obtain Jose’s knife. The trial court ruled that even

though this action was improper, it was excusable because of

Tucker’s lack of experience.

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¶ 89 Notably, at the postconviction hearing, Tucker testified that he

had not worked on Lopez’s case and had left the law firm before it

began representing Lopez. Steinberg agreed with this timeline.

¶ 90 The key takeaway of the testimony at both the pretrial hearing

and the postconviction hearing was that neither the trial court nor

the postconviction court determined whether an attorney had

directed Scherck to retrieve Jose’s knife or whether Scherck had

made the decision independently. As noted, Steinberg, Toray, and

Deters said that they did not direct Scherck to retrieve Jose’s knife.

Although the trial court found that Tucker had directed Scherck to

do so, Tucker testified under oath that he never worked on Lopez’s

case, testimony that Steinberg corroborated.

¶ 91 Another related issue is when Steinberg learned that Jose’s

knife was being stored in the firm’s safe. At the postconviction

hearing, John Hower, the initial lead prosecutor, testified that he

spoke with Steinberg about a year before Jose’s knife was turned

over to the prosecution. Although he could not recall whether

Steinberg was aware of the knife, Hower’s call should have put

Steinberg on notice that Lopez had asked Trujillo to dispose of

Jose’s knife. That inquiry might be significant because Steinberg

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testified at the postconviction hearing that no ethical issue existed

concerning the knife because Lopez had not given it to him or

anyone at the firm. However, the second hypothetical in Opinion 60

discussed above would have applied to Trujillo or Lopez’s stepfather

giving Jose’s knife to Scherck. See id. at 9-10. Thus, Steinberg and

Scherck should have known that Scherck could not ethically

retrieve the knife and bring it to the firm, unless it was to be

immediately turned over to the prosecution.

¶ 92 In addition, Hower’s call to Steinberg should also have put

Steinberg on notice that the prosecution believed Jose’s knife might

have been the murder weapon. Thus, even if Steinberg did not

believe Jose’s knife was the murder weapon, he still had an ethical

obligation to turn it over to the prosecution. See Colo. RPC 3.4(a).

¶ 93 Accordingly, despite the clear ethical proscription in Colo. RPC

3.4(a) and Opinion 60 against a lawyer retaining possible

inculpatory evidence, the Springer and Steinberg firm kept Jose’s

knife in its possession for more than three years. This raises

questions about how the firm could have held onto Jose’s knife for

over three years without its trial lawyers being aware of it.

Although Steinberg conceded that neither he nor anyone in the firm

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should have obtained the knife, the circumstances under which

Jose’s knife came to be placed in the law firm’s safe remain unclear.

Perhaps further investigation of this issue is warranted.

III. Lawyer’s Duty to Supervise Investigators

¶ 94 The possibility that Lopez’s attorneys did not adequately

supervise Scherck or that Scherck obtained Jose’s knife

unbeknownst to Lopez’s attorneys raises a second ethical issue.

A. Applicable Ethics Rules

¶ 95 Colo. RPC 5.1 and 5.3 govern the responsibilities of a partner

or supervisory lawyer and the responsibilities regarding nonlawyer

assistance.

¶ 96 Rule 5.1(a) and (b) require a partner or a lawyer with

supervisory authority to make reasonable efforts to ensure that all

lawyers in a law firm conform to the Rules of Professional Conduct.

Such lawyer will be responsible for another firm lawyer’s violation of

the ethical rules if the first lawyer ratifies the second lawyer’s

violation of the rules or knows of improper conduct but fails to take

reasonable remedial action. Colo. RPC 5.1(c).

¶ 97 Further, a partner or lawyer with supervisory authority must

ensure that nonlawyers employed by or retained by the firm engage

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in conduct compatible with the rules of professional conduct. Colo.

RPC 5.3(a). A partner or supervisory lawyer shall be responsible for

a nonlawyer’s improper conduct if the partner or lawyer orders or

ratifies such conduct, Colo. RPC 5.3(c)(1), or fails to take reasonable

remedial action, Colo. RPC 5.3(c)(2).

¶ 98 Two comments to Rule 5.3 detail the responsibilities of a

partner or supervising lawyer in this context. Comment 2 specifies

that Rule 5.3 applies to investigators, stating in part, “A lawyer

must give such assistants appropriate instruction and supervision

concerning the ethical aspects of their employment . . . .”

Additionally, comment 3 provides that when retaining or directing a

nonlawyer who is not a firm employee, the lawyer should instruct

the nonlawyer regarding the applicable ethical rules to ensure that

the nonlawyer follows them. Colo. RPC 5.3 cmt. 3.

B. Analysis

¶ 99 The record indicates that Scherck was hired as an investigator

to work on this case. As a former police officer, he had worked for

the law firm previously. Steinberg testified that he was not aware of

any instruction given to Scherck regarding the rules of professional

conduct, including Rule 3.4 or Opinion 60.

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¶ 100 As discussed above, the record does not indicate whether any

lawyer directed Scherck to retrieve Jose’s knife and store it in the

law firm’s safe. This leaves us with two possible scenarios, both of

which implicate Rule 5.3.

¶ 101 First, if any lawyer directed Scherck to retrieve and store

Jose’s knife, that lawyer and any lawyer supervising that lawyer

would be responsible for Scherck’s conduct under Rules 5.1 and

5.3.

¶ 102 In the alternative, Scherck may have acted independently in

retrieving the knife and storing it in the law firm’s safe. Whether

this conduct violated the rules of professional conduct would

depend in part on whether any lawyer had instructed Scherck

regarding the applicable rules, specifically, Rule 3.4. If one or more

lawyers had instructed Scherck, or if it was shown that he had been

previously instructed about the rules of professional conduct, then

those lawyers would have acted properly. However, if Scherck had

not been instructed about Rule 3.4 and Opinion 60, one or more

lawyers could be responsible for Scherck’s conduct.

¶ 103 A related issue that the record does not address is whether the

law firm’s office manager knew that Jose’s knife had been stored in

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the safe and, if so, whether she informed any of the lawyers about

it. Sternberg testified that the office manager was responsible for

storing materials in the safe. However, the record does not indicate

whether she knew that a knife was being stored in the safe or, if so,

where it came from. In any event, it is not clear whether Steinberg

ever monitored the contents of the safe.

IV. Conflict of Interest

¶ 104 Although the majority correctly concludes, in my view, that

Lopez waived any conflict of interest with his attorneys, I agree with

the postconviction court that Springer and Steinberg, as appellate

counsel, had an actual conflict of interest. As discussed below, I

believe that a conflict of interest also existed during Lopez’s trial.

A. Applicable Ethics Rules

¶ 105 Colo. RPC 1.7(a)(2) precludes an attorney from representing a

client when a significant risk exists that representation of the client

will be materially limited by the attorney’s personal interest.

However, Rule 1.7(b)(1) and (2) nevertheless provide that a lawyer

with such a concurrent conflict of interest may represent a client if

(1) the lawyer reasonably believes the lawyer can provide competent

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and diligent representation to the client, and (2) the representation

is not prohibited by law.

¶ 106 As the majority points out, a conflict can be actual or

potential. It is actual when it “adversely affects counsel’s

performance.” Mickens v. Taylor, 535 U.S. 162, 172 n.5 (2002). A

conflict is potential when it is possible or nascent and is one that,

in all probability, will arise. People v. Harlan, 54 P.3d 871, 878

(Colo. 2002). An actual conflict may exist even if no criminal

charges are filed or no disciplinary complaint is submitted to

disciplinary authorities. People v. Curren, 228 P.3d 253, 259 (Colo.

App. 2009). It is enough that such charges could be filed or ethical

misconduct proceedings could be brought against an attorney. Id.

B. Analysis

¶ 107 The postconviction court determined that Lopez’s trial lawyers

did not have an actual conflict of interest when they continued to

represent Lopez after turning over Jose’s knife to the prosecution

and entering the stipulation stating that the knife was in the same

condition as when it was first received by Scherck.

¶ 108 The postconviction court concluded that Lopez did not show

that his trial attorneys’ conduct adversely affected their

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performance. See People v. Edebohls, 944 P.2d 552, 556 (Colo. App.

1996), overruled on other grounds by People v. Lopez, 2024 CO 50,

¶ 3, 553 P.3d 203, 205. However, the postconviction court ruled

that, although Lopez validly waived a conflict of interest regarding

his trial, he did not waive and was not even advised of the

attorneys’ continuing conflict of interest during his direct appeal.

Thus, the postconviction court concluded, Springer and Steinberg’s

“potential conflict of interest during the trial grew into an actual

conflict of interest on appeal affecting their representation.” In

concluding that Lopez had waived any conflict of interest at the

trial, the majority does not address (because it does not need to) the

postconviction court’s conclusion that the law firm’s attorneys had

an actual conflict of interest in pursuing Lopez’s direct appeal.

¶ 109 The postconviction court identified three bases for an actual

conflict of interest. First, it concluded that Lopez’s appellate

counsel did not argue in his direct appeal that the alleged conflict of

interest concerning the retrieval of Jose’s knife was not waivable,

and, if it was, Lopez did not validly waive the conflict. Second, the

postconviction court determined that a reasonable argument could

have been made in the direct appeal that Lopez had not been fully

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advised of the conflict and did not understand the consequences of

waiving it. Third, the postconviction court found that appellate

counsel’s “strategy of arguing that the conflict was either

unwaivable or not validly waived was inherently in conflict with

Springer and Steinberg’s loyalty to preserving their ethical

reputation.”

¶ 110 The postconviction court found that these instances of actual

conflict of interest adversely affected the performance of Lopez’s

attorneys in his direct appeal.

¶ 111 Lopez makes essentially the same contentions of actual

conflict of interest in connection with his trial counsel. However, as

I indicated above, I agree with the majority that Lopez waived any

such conflict of interest.

¶ 112 In my view, the existence of an actual or potential conflict of

interest was not removed by the prosecutors telling Lopez’s lawyers

that they did not intend to pursue criminal charges or ethical

proceedings against them. Even if we assume that such statements

were made in good faith, as we must, nothing precluded the

prosecutors from changing their minds if they discovered additional

information or learned that Lopez’s attorneys had been aware that

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Jose’s knife had been stored in the law firm’s safe. See Curren, 228

P.3d at 259.

¶ 113 Nevertheless, Lopez’s assertions of a conflict of interest by

both his trial and appellate attorneys raise serious ethical issues

that warrant further consideration. Although Lopez’s trial attorneys

believed that their stipulation regarding the chain of custody issues

concerning Jose’s knife resolved any possible ethical issues, that

stipulation still allowed the prosecution to argue, as it did, that

Lopez, his girlfriend, or someone in his family had wiped Jose’s

knife clean. Thus, the stipulation ensured that the law firm’s

attorneys could not be blamed for possibly wiping Jose’s knife clean

but left open the possibility that Lopez or one of his family members

had done so. Accordingly, the stipulation benefited the law firm,

but not necessarily Lopez. It is therefore not clear that this conduct

was consistent with Rule 1.7(b)(1) and (2).

V. Conclusion

¶ 114 Although I agree with the majority’s conclusion that Lopez

validly waived any conflict of interest in the trial court, the law

firm’s conduct at trial and in the direct appeal warrants further

scrutiny regarding whether it was consistent with the Colorado

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Rules of Professional Conduct regarding (1) the duty to turn over

Jose’s knife to the prosecution; (2) the extent of supervision of

Scherck, the firm’s investigator; and (3) any possible conflict of

interest regarding the retrieval and retention of Jose’s knife and the

law firm’s continued representation of Lopez.

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